The beginning of UW mkII?

[spoonman]

Originally Posted by undarrenworld:
<Quote>This is new info for me...</Quote>

You have to know that in the begening Darren was only a dj not a producer, you must know that it's big difference between a dj and a producer as rick for exemple, Darren was always a great dj but never a great producer, all the tracks of the 1st album were produced only by rick & carl =)

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by spoonman

Originally Posted by undarrenworld:
<Quote>This is new info for me...</Quote>

You have to know that in the begening Darren was only a dj not a producer, you must know that it's big difference between a dj and a producer as rick for exemple, Darren was always a great dj but never a great producer, all the tracks of the 1st album were produced only by rick & carl =)

if you read the sleeve notes to Dubno...it says produced by Underworld (darren emerson, karl hyde, richard smith) not (karl hyde, richard smith)

it also says on the CD itself written by smith / hyde

except tracks 2 & 3 written by emerson / smith / hyde (these two tracks are mmm...skyscraper and surfboy


so i think that your information is wrong, emerson didn't just sit around and say 'thats a good beat', he actually helped in the writing process of two songs and was creditted as a producer on all 9 of them....

and this is not some nice creditting on the behalf of rick and karl, because if you look at the notes on the spikee / dogman go woof CD / 12", Spikee - is written and produced by emerson, hyde & smith, but Dogman Go Woof, written produced and mixed by emerson and smith (no sign of hyde mentioned)


more info to follow....

[big screen satellite]

ok, the story goes...


...and in 1992, they began to see how their earliest interest in Kraftwerk and dub might now be capable of development. Rick asked his brother-in-law, who was an enthusiastic clubber, whether he knew an exciting DJ who might be interested in helping them. He suggested Darren Emerson, a young man who was gaining repuation in pubs & clubs in essex and who live close to Rick and Karl.... (Record Buyer and Mart, april 1999)

"The last thing we did as a seven piece was a tour supporting the Eurythmics in 1989" (KH, Melody Maker January, 1994)

Rick came back to Britain straight after the tour, while Karl stayed in the states, to work as a session musician at Prince's Paisley Park. (See Terri Nunn LP)

He returned home two months later to find Rick knocking out dance tracks, with Darren, who Karl had never met before.

"Karl came back to find me, this teenage lad, sitting in the studio, working with his partner". Chuckles Darren

(all bits from Melody Maker Article)


The trio hit it off immedaiately....and two singles were launched on the independant Junior Boys's Own label, under the name of Lemon Interupt..

Leftfield were the first to appreciate the trio's strengths, employing them to produce a 'Lemon Interupt' mix of their single 'Song of Life (1992)

(info from Record Buyer and Mart Article)

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The first single to once again use the Underworld name was a limited edition pressing by Tomato, Mother Earth....

(Record Colelctor Dates this release as 1992, after Lemon Interupt's two singles....)

Other interesting bits to note are that Underworld were employed to make music for Darren Emerson's sets, and to use as a test bed for tracks for the Underworld album...(I wonder how much stuff he played was never used, due to poor reactiosn or the likes...)

My $0.02 is that a lot of the early history is very blurred, but most 'recorded' wisdom suggests that the order of releases is as follows, and interviews and commenst from band members seem to suggest that these bits of info are pretty accurate:

1989 - Last performance as a seven piece on Eurythmics tour
1990 - performance as Underworld Mark I - old tracks, demos...(tape dated 1990.00.00 only - may well in fact be left over from around 1989...)
1990 - Rick calls up Darren & start working together...
1991 - is all a bit vague - Emerson Djing...R&K set up Tomato - spend a lot of time doing Tomato stuff
1992 - put out stuff as Lemon Interupt - Big Mouth / Eclipse & Dirty
1992 - Rick and Darren - devise the 'Steppin' Razor' remix moniker
1992 - Remix Leftfield - Song of Life, as Lemon Interupt and Steppin Razor
1992 - Release Mother Earth / The Hump
1992 - Rick & Karl - finish off the Terri Nunn Album
1992 - Darren Remixes Gat Decor
1992 - Darren & Rick Remix Simply Red's Thrill Me
1993 - Release MMM...Skyscraper

1993 + the rest is pretty much documented....


one of the best articles on the rise of Underworld is in Record Mart & Buyer magazine, April 1999 - in a sdection called Pathways of Underworld....which documents the band from Freur to Underworld in 1999, just prior to BF...

[spoonman]

I don't know if you had read the interview, try to read it you will understand more,
Darren said to the french electronic magazine :
Sur le premier album, mon intervention se limitait au choix des sons et Ã* la mise en forme générale des morceaux it means in english (i try beacause i'm better in french than english) 'in the 1st album my operation was limited to the choice of sounds and the general forms of the tracks !!' So i don't know if it's true or false, but i'm certain that it was on the coda magazie (electronic french mag) N°21 April 1996 , the title of interview is :
Underworld - Darren Emerson - Le contrat de mariage -
=)

[big screen satellite]

i don't doubt what Darren said in the article at all (which i have translated)...but the actual facts of the album which was published, state that he was part of the Underworld team and was considered important enough to be classed as 'Producer' in the credits, and he has writing credits on two tracks, so regardless of what interpretation this article says, he did have some writing input on mmm...skyscraper and surfboy on dubnobass...

he may have not had too much influenece on the beginings of the album , we all know ME was written long before Darren arrived, and perhaps some of the other tracks...but he was instrumental in making the album a success...even if that meant he was the guy who took the tracks out on the road and tested them to dance music crowds when he was djing....without him dubnobass would not have been the album it was...

and i still maintain that he was pretty influential during its inception

[big screen satellite]

Underworld, today, it is Rick Smith, Karl Hyde and Darren Emerson. How are you located the ones compared to the others?

Darren Emerson: Rick plays of the keyboard and passes much from time in studio. It is the motive fluid of the group, that which always pushes us with going from the front one. Rick is also that which makes hold the things together. It is the element pivot around whose two different musical designs are articulated: that represented by Karl, which sings and plays of the guitar and mine, resulting from my experiment as DJ. This collaboration learned to me enormously from things. On the first album, my intervention was limited to the choice of the sounds and general working of the pieces. From now on, I also intervene as of the stage of the composition. We work initially on our premises, because we have each one our own studio. I develop my intuitions in an autonomous way, I program loops and evolutions of sequences then I bring the result at Rick and we mix our ideas. I invested myself much more in the music than I was it before. Now, I also have my own productions, i.e. in more of the remixes I create pieces completely resulting from my inspiration.

Do you regard really Underworld as a group?

If you want to call it like that, why not? We are persuaded that our collaboration gave rise to a completely new music because it comes from various sources of inspiration. Me, for example, I am pure produced electronic music and scratching. I degraded myself with them by accident. I met Rick via his brother-in-law, because I wanted to record in his studio and that wished to him to work with a DJ. Finally, we met and we realized a few pieces on which Karl came to add voices and guitars. Fusion truly took place at this time, my influences mixed with their gave something of exceptional: Underworld. Today, if we lay out each one of our home-studio to develop the bases of our music, that does not prevent us from often finding us in the same studio to work together. With the end of the process, we gather all our ideas and let us join we them together.

In spite of the success of Underworld, you continuous to produce you like DJ every weekend?

Yes, I was always DJ. Thus I started and I did not want to change that. I never ceased mixer. Even if I learned much in studio, I remain before a whole DJ. I like enough not always not to give to understand the same kind of music as that which I do with Underworld. I like that to exploit various registers. Perhaps that pieces more directed towards the scene club like are those which are reproduced on the maximumones of Underworld are marked by my style. But for the albums, we want a sound different, with more voice, like an invitation with the voyage. Underworld in concert, it is still other thing...

When you are listened to mixer, one realizes that you do not focus yourself solely on the techno. As DJ, with which other styles you are also sensitive?

I also play of the house, but not the kind "housy-garagy", not of "waouw, baby"... Something which approaches more the spirit which reigns in Chicago. Curiously, whereas one perceives a certain influence of the breakbeat in the music of Underworld, you master keys not of pieces jungle.

You do not like that?

If, I like much. Not so much the bass & drum, rather the deep-jungle. You see the difference? One is much closer to the perception of space. I do not have discs jungle badly, but I keep them to listen to them at home. I do not play about it as DJ because I leave that with truths DJs jungle which do it better than me. On our second album, there are a few pieces of inspiration jungle. They are voluntarily rather slow, in the neighbourhoods of 90 bpm, but take again sets of cymbals characteristic doubled of a reason behind bottom on a rate/rhythm more vibrating.

On scene, Underworld offers a very intense spectacle. It is really smelled that there is a DJ in the group. Is this your way of introducing the rates/rhythms into the music which carries the public at the edge of the madness?

At the beginning, I used cassettes on which I had recorded the rates/rhythms as a preliminary. Into live, I mixed these rates/rhythms the ones with the others. That gave indeed the impression to hear a DJ. But now all that we make on scene is entirely played on line. At the time of our last concerts, we occurred in company of a DJ: Darren Price. We played three or four pieces then we withdrew ourselves; it mixed and we returned on scene. That lasted like that during approximately three hours. We do not want to lock up us in a routine, we always seek to present a different spectacle in which we leave the place with the improvisation. They is besides very exciting to find itself on scene with Underworld because it is known that at any time that can foirer.

A last precision: who hides behind Underwater?

Friends and sometimes ourselves when we want to realize pieces under another name.

You know that it is currently very difficult to get the discs of Underwater?

Yes, that remains underground for the moment and we prefer that that remains thus. We do not seek to make promotion of it because we want that the sauce takes slowly. This music requires that one let it live all alone, if it is rather good it will make its hole. In fact productions approach more deep house techno than of than one is accustomed to hearing on behalf of Underworld. In the future, I think that we will have each one our own productions and that we will find ourselves to produce a disc every approximately two years.

...thats about it...not an exact translation, but you get the gist....

[spoonman]

You have did the translation waouwwww ! a perfect work ,

Big screen you are great =)

As we say in french i say to you : Bravo !!!

P.s: I have a question , now is darren price officially a member in the band ??

[undarrenworld]

Thats fantastic translation.

This sentence is nice...(if u imagine the words in these days)

''In the future, I think that we will have each one our own productions and that we will find ourselves...''


To the ideas about DE..

Well without him we would never have this underworld which we know and love...
Thats fact...

Yes Rick (and Karl) wanted to do something experimental, but without DE, they never could made that unique underworld sound...
This sound was born after DE comes...

[Threnody]

For me, it began with "Outskirts"- the first time I heard it I said "the next album will be totally techno".

Well, it took damn long enough, but sure enough, it was.