sherburne on underworld

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by Eikman

get a life, people

agent provocateur

[Eikman]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

agent provocateur

in the time you (and others) wrote all that stuff you could've done much more useful things. seriously, i have some essays due in january....wanna write them for me?

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by Eikman

i'm serious. in the time you (and others) wrote all that stuff you could've done much better things.

.... watched telly, played scrabble, ate mince pies (again) chatted online. boxing day is bloody boring! I like something to make my brain work when I am on holiday.

Originally Posted by mmm skyscraper

I find it interesting that he mentions the riverrun stuff, but has he even listened to it? There's a whole bunch of new music to talk about and we end up with a reviews of albums that have been out for a while. AHDO is not a pointer to the future, riverrun and the latest live stuff is.

Excellent point. Which goes back to my theory about lack of knowledge and/or research. Lazy journalism imo.

[mmm skyscraper]

I find it interesting that he mentions the riverrun stuff, but has he even listened to it? There's a whole bunch of new music to talk about and we end up with a reviews of albums that have been out for a while. AHDO is not a pointer to the future, riverrun and the latest live stuff is.

[kid cue]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

P.S. says Karl's statement on RA wasn't convincing. How well does he know Karl? Why wasn't it convincing? I was convinced. I don't think Karl Hyde is in the game of deceiving interviewers to sound more respectable. The RA interview was great, but it didn't help with Sherburne's preplanned thesis on his UW piece, so he said he didn't believe the quote. Lazy and self serving.

i think he was saying that Karl was probably trying to preserve the image of the band, avoiding an image of 'falling from grace' or whatever. i don't agree or disagree, but it's true that Karl is almost always the spokesperson for the group, and he definitely does tend spin things in a very PR-friendly way (i hope he's not reading this!).

[BrotherLovesDub]

can we just get into a heated discussion please? i layed out my issues with the article. tell me how i'm wrong. or agree with me. let's discuss UW's shift from Festival Headliners to artsy autuers. anything. something. please.

[kid cue]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

can we just get into a heated discussion please? i layed out my issues with the article. tell me how i'm wrong. or agree with me. let's discuss UW's shift from Festival Headliners to artsy autuers. anything. something. please.

i still disagree w/ you about AHDO. what about it makes it quintessential UW? how come Sherburne is suddenly an UW fan who 'gets' UW just because he likes that album?

to me AHDO is much more a case of UW self-consciously consolidating what defines their sound, rather than channeling anything fundamental about them.

his praise of AHDO also seems to be based on how much it resembles the minimal he's into, not how Underworld it is.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Originally Posted by kid cue

i still disagree w/ you about AHDO. what about it makes it quintessential UW? how come Sherburne is suddenly an UW fan who 'gets' UW just because he likes that album?

to me AHDO is much more a case of UW self-consciously consolidating what defines their sound, rather than channeling anything fundamental about them.

his praise of AHDO also seems to be based on how much it resembles the minimal he's into, not how Underworld it is.

ok, i don't think AHDO is "quintessential UW", but i do think it's a great LP. i prefer it to BF as an album, but the big tunes on BF are better. i think AHDO does illustrate the maturity of the group and their willingness to experiment and shed the shackles of their most popular work. it's an album that doesn't jump out and grab you, but rather rewards you with repeat listens. That's why Sherburne relates it to minimal. You don't hear the beauty on the surface, but rather in between notes, in the silence, in the actual sounds chosen and the superficial simpicity in their arrangement. I think Trim and Luetin are some of the best UW songs ever. Twist is gorgeous but really shines live when Karl adds the magical guitar.

You say AHDO is UW "self-consciously consolidating what defines their sound, rather than channeling anything fundamental about them" and I take issue with this point too.

I completely disagree with you on this point. I just don't see R+K sitting down and trying to sound like UW. I don't think anything can come out of Rick Smith that isn't a distillation of what we recognize as the UW sound. Isn't the first 60 seconds of AHDO classic UW? The intro to Mo Move, up to that reverse beat before the kicks hit...that's classic UW, or in your words, "fundamental" UW. I don't want another STITI or Dubno. I already have 3 LPs and countless remixes by UW that I love. I don't need my fav. artists to continue to progress but UW are doing it for themselves now and I repsect that much more than I would a rehash of any of their previous work.

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

I think Trim and Luetin are some of the best UW songs ever.

best songs on the album. i will give you very good time. indeed.

[kid cue]

god you just go in circles. is that a personal attack? oh god, i'm sorry.