Footwear Repairs and Everything, Everything in HD! (well, one day)

[mondokat]

I ripped my vhs copy to an mpeg file, but haven't had time to fiddle with it to get it into a DVD format. I must say though that the quality is crap. The frame rate for the various tomato videos (the swirly colors and such) don't capture too well (they look choppy). To do a proper DVD, you'd have to either encode the masters with some serious equipment, or else somehow sync the capture with the framerate of the tape. The result of my rip is watchable, but you can tell it's not quite right. The original tape looks better, so if you can get a VHS player, that's the best way to watch it right now.

[TheBang]

It's not like VHS is some weirdo obscure format. It's 29.97 fps NTSC.

[negative1]

Originally Posted by TheBang

It's not like VHS is some weirdo obscure format. It's 29.97 fps NTSC.

i think it has more to do with the nature of the footage
(very quick cuts), strobing, flashes, etc...

mpg couldn't handle it too well.. i think if you
play around with the parameters in .h264 or
.divx you could get a good encode....especially
with a fast computer, and hardware encoder..

later
-1

[Jan]

I've recorded my copy of Kiteless and burned it for DVD, and MPEG-2 was perfectly fine for that.
I've captured it with my TV-card at 12000-15000 kbps MPEG, then I recoded it at ~5000 kbps @ 352x576. There are no visible MPEG artifacts.
My advice: Try to record at the highest possible bitrate you can get with your capture card, or go even lossless. Then you can convert it with a good MPEG encoder, like HCenc (which is free btw). A resolution of 352x576 (or 352x480) should be enough as the (analog) limit of VHS equals to about 240x576 (240x480).

I've also replaced the (mono!) audio of the VHS with the CD audio, except of course for the little bits in between which I left there. They fade in and out of the CD audio now.

Has Footwear Repairs also just mono audio? My copy of Kiteless is mono, on the mono and on the hi-fi stereo track.

[negative1]

Originally Posted by Jan

I've recorded my copy of Kiteless and burned it for DVD, and MPEG-2 was perfectly fine for that.
I've captured it with my TV-card at 12000-15000 kbps MPEG, then I recoded it at ~5000 kbps @ 352x576. There are no visible MPEG artifacts.
My advice: Try to record at the highest possible bitrate you can get with your capture card, or go even lossless. Then you can convert it with a good MPEG encoder, like HCenc (which is free btw). A resolution of 352x576 (or 352x480) should be enough as the (analog) limit of VHS equals to about 240x576 (240x480).

I've also replaced the (mono!) audio of the VHS with the CD audio, except of course for the little bits in between which I left there. They fade in and out of the CD audio now.

Has Footwear Repairs also just mono audio? My copy of Kiteless is mono, on the mono and on the hi-fi stereo track.

i knew if you had a high bitrate it would be better for encoding,
but why such a low resolution? shouldn't you be able to do it
larger? (or just scale it up?)

also, if you're watching on a monitor, it won't look as good,
as if you output to a tv screen, right?

how many parts were there between the tracks?
each video....its been a long time since i've heard it...

thanx for the tips...

i need to try to re-encode it..

also, i have a promotional video for the entire
'beaucoup fish' album, but they loop some
concert footage, and studio footage..its not
that great..but its interesting to watch..

later
-1

[mondokat]

Originally Posted by negative1

i think it has more to do with the nature of the footage
(very quick cuts), strobing, flashes, etc...

mpg couldn't handle it too well.. i think if you
play around with the parameters in .h264 or
.divx you could get a good encode....especially
with a fast computer, and hardware encoder..

later
-1

That's what I meant. obviously ntsc is a well known standard, but I was using a crappy hauppage TV tuner card for the capture (basically no capture options) and it ONLY captures to an mpeg2. And yes, the quick cuts and strobing look like they fell out of someone's butt. So it's beyond my hardware capacity to make it look right.

[negative1]

ok,
i have the following for comparison:

japanese tomato anthology
born slippy 2003 UK DVD single
2 videos from AUS ADHO tour release
(dinosaur 3d, two months off)

footwear repairs VHS
footwear repairs SVCD (fan)
footwear repairs DVD (fan)

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Looking at the official tomato DVD encodes,
born slippy 2003 doesn't count, since it just
involves panning around still frames.. and the
video is a just clips of 'trainspotting' so no
issues there..

the anthology video has these:
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rez
dark train (edit)
born slippy
two months off
jumbo

the videos are good quality / NTSC, 4:3 , but the
last two exhibit some pixellation..

also there's a lot of tearing in rez / dark train....

dinosaur 3d seems to be encoded in decent quality...
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the various svcd/dvd encodes also exhibit slightly
muted colors / noise / tearing also...

so it looks like you would have a do a high quality
encode...with no compression to capture it all....

i'm not sure if the mpg format on dvd allows that,
or if you have to use divx, or h.264

later
-1

[sanakan]

(mhm.. i think i already read about that idea somewhere...)