Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith...

[King of Snake]

Originally Posted by adam

What would have improved the movies, as me and my friend came up with, is if Darth Maul, Count Dooku and General Grievous had been a single character. There was no need to split that role into three throw-away characters. It diluted the drama. Imagine if Obi-Wan had finally bested Qui-Gon's killer, two movies later.

Of course, the plot would require minor revisions, but it would have been doable. Then this trilogy would have had it's Darth Vader, too.

yeah, I think that would have been a more interesting idea. I would do away with Dooku and Grievous and just keep Darth Maul, 'cause he's the most badass of the all

[goldfish]

It was alright. Too much to take in at times, which was just plain annoying. The dialogue, aside from Palpatine who could act (Ewan Macgregor seemed to have suspended his acting capacity for the entire prequel saga) was piss poor; it made the originals feel like fecking Shakespeare.

Too many weak jokes; it's not a comedy. Too many obvious 'tying together of loose ends' particularly Yoda's pathetic 'I've got Qui Gon on line 4 Obi, will you take the call' shite at the end.

I thought the Obi/Ani fight was done really well though, and slicing off Ani's legs and watching them burn was quality entertainment.

The wookies were waaaaayyyyy to convenient, but at least there was a lot less 3PO. I liked the little shot of the Falcon.

All in all, OK. Glad it's all over. All we need now is a Lando and Han spin-off.

Simon

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by goldfish

All in all, OK. Glad it's all over. All we need now is a Lando and Han spin-off.

Simon

what a bit like the Joey sitcom spin off from Friends

Lando & Han's Coruscant flat sharing days...

[djeddy]

it was the best of the first three, no doubt. but its still a C. the story was never that powerful. SW 1/2/3 was more of a visual show reel for lucas' ILM to bring in more business from hollywood. competition. y'know because those frenchy BUF guys were beginning to kick their ass.

im just glad the shits over. hopefully all the star wars geeks will disappear from my local theater.

LOTR was a better trilogy either way.

[cured]

^^ agreed

The prequels of Star Wars really had a seriously problem from the get-go...you already knew the most important parts of the story! From there it had to be like good opera, as they say, as in the execution of the story is the most critical element. On a lot of levels, it was TERRIBLE. But for the most part, it had the feeling of a Star Wars movie than either of the previous two did. There were obvious holes in the storyline that Lucas can only assume disappeared in some black hole in every Star Wars fan's mind, which may have been why the reasons why some of the things played out the way they did was so erroneous.

I'm still pissed they used a CG jell-o mold Yoda than to have some little robot or a midget in a suit.

The first action sequence, however, was quite good

[big screen satellite]

unfortunatley the problem with the Prequel Trilogy (PT) is it suffered from great expectation and hype and failed to deliver for fans of the Original Trilogy (OT)...

however,

there are kids out there who know and only know the PT, and love episodes I-III - they are aged between 8-15...which is how old most of us who saw the OT were (well us 30 somethings at least)

don't forget that many older people didn't think the OT was that great when it came out...clunky dialogue - stupid plot, poor acting...teh very same accusations laid upon the PT...don't forget several major studios foolishly turned it down...

its all a matter of perspective...we loved the OT because we grew up with it...GL went back and made the PT...almost because the fans (now aged) demanded it (but mainly because he could with the technoilogy he now has)

its a kids movie...made for kids...how many 7 year olds thingk Jar Jar is dumb, or that Anakin & Obi Wan's dialogue is clunky...none, because they just love the battles, they don't care if there's too much CGI, or not enough explanation...they wanna see explosions, the odd funny bit, and enjoy a space movie...

its a simple logic that GL has applied and regargless of the fans backlash at TPM...he's carried on...think back to when you were 7 - would you have enjoyed ROTS more...probably...

some people take movies way too seriously above and beyond what they are meant for....entertainment

ok - i agree with most of you on all the claims laid at GL's door about not being able to direct people or write dialogue or whatever...but so what - the movie was fun and completed the series of one of the best Saga's in movie history...

now on to the Star Wars TV series...

[King of Snake]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

unfortunatley the problem with the Prequel Trilogy (PT) is it suffered from great expectation and hype and failed to deliver for fans of the Original Trilogy (OT)...

however,

there are kids out there who know and only know the PT, and love episodes I-III - they are aged between 8-15...which is how old most of us who saw the OT were (well us 30 somethings at least)

don't forget that many older people didn't think the OT was that great when it came out...clunky dialogue - stupid plot, poor acting...teh very same accusations laid upon the PT...don't forget several major studios foolishly turned it down...

its all a matter of perspective...we loved the OT because we grew up with it...GL went back and made the PT...almost because the fans (now aged) demanded it (but mainly because he could with the technoilogy he now has)

its a kids movie...made for kids...how many 7 year olds thingk Jar Jar is dumb, or that Anakin & Obi Wan's dialogue is clunky...none, because they just love the battles, they don't care if there's too much CGI, or not enough explanation...they wanna see explosions, the odd funny bit, and enjoy a space movie...

its a simple logic that GL has applied and regargless of the fans backlash at TPM...he's carried on...think back to when you were 7 - would you have enjoyed ROTS more...probably...

some people take movies way too seriously above and beyond what they are meant for....entertainment

ok - i agree with most of you on all the claims laid at GL's door about not being able to direct people or write dialogue or whatever...but so what - the movie was fun and completed the series of one of the best Saga's in movie history...

now on to the Star Wars TV series...

i disagree for the most part. I hear this argument a lot of times "we like the original trilogy because we grew up with it but in the end they are all the same and they're all kids movies etc etc" and then the ultimate obviousness of "some people take movies way too seriously above and beyond what they are meant for....entertainment".
The fact that i deeply dislike a lot of aspects from the new movies has nothing to do with taking it too seriously. I don't take Star Wars seriously at all, but I can still demand quality from my entertainment. I take quality movie-making seriously, and a movie can be aimed at 7 year old kids and still have that quality. Explosions, bad jokes and expensive CG does not make for quality entertainment (how many more hollywood blockbusters does it take to prove that point?) There are just obvious faults with this movies that can't be ignored. Will 7 year old kids care about it? Probably not. But will they think back of these films fondly in 20 years and will new generation of kids pick them up like they did the original films. I think not. They will never be seen as classics like the old ones.

[patrick]

ya, i think KoS's point is good. However i believe that is more of the prilogy as a whole. i think this movie was 10 times better than the first.... with the exception to all the SHITTY SHITTY SHITTY tie ins, like the wookies and the "qui-qon taught me to talk to the past etc etc etc" all BS..
and the worst of themmm: "Luke.... Leia..." Like that was important... it made me burst out laughing and then i hit my friend.

[big screen satellite]

the thing is that i think people are expecting to much from these movies - did GL set the bar too high in 1977?

...generally the PT movies are NOT bad at all...and there are elements in them that are astounding and will be remembered for many years...(the Jedi's sabre fight with Darth Maul for one)

i don't think that you can just pass over the PT just because of Jar Jar pisses you off or that there's too much CGI (there's too much CGI in Spiderman IMO) or the acting is crap...all of these things were burdended upon the original movie...a 7ft man in a bear suit, muppet aliens in the cantina & Jabba's palace, clunky dialogue ("its a good job you had these compartments"), and people are even forgetting the ewok sequences in ROTJ....these were 'roundly' hated by critics and fans...

i'm not saying that any of the PT are gonna win oscars (well they haven't) but in terms of CG they have already been groundbreaking, and GL is breaking barriers every movie he makes...GL cannot write dialogue or direct actors, but he sure can direct a good action shot, and create a unique universe, in which to get immersed - the Star Wars Saga is all about escaping...

Star Wars is a kids movie, there is no denying that, and in his mind, GL has to tell you everything, rather than let you figure it out for yourself, after all not everybody is a 30 something fanboy who knows the backstory, or the key plot points...

by no means am i saying that the PT movies are the best in the world - they are obviously not, but i wish people would stop bashing them because they have some deep-rooted love of the past, Star Wars wasn't a great movie all over, it was a great event and groundbreaking, and thats what people remember...

enough people went to see TPM, more than once, its not the 5th most successful movie in BO take of all time for nothing...and i've been conversing with a lot of fans of the Star Wars movies born since the OT, and most of them prefer the new trilogy...all they know is CGI and Blockbuster explosions...70's hairstyles and 'muppet' like puppets don't impress kids these days...

[Raz]

Originally Posted by King of Snake

Then obi wans ship is attacked by the most ridiculous weapon ever devised: a missile which transforms into little droids which start to take the ship apart. Yeah right, why not just fire an EXPLOSIVE missile and blow up the ship at once? Stupid.

Funniest thing I've read in ages