HEADS UP BOYS EVERYWHERE.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Sean's and Dubman's attitude reminds me of the very end of one of my favourite tv mini-series of the 80s called Edge of Darkness. (Only click if you want the spoilers).

Not to spoil it too much for anyone who feels like watching it - and it is bloody brilliant and should be watched - it is basically about nuclear waste and illegal reprocessing and pollution. And at the very end the daughter "tells" her father about tiny little black flowers that have started to grow on the mountains. And because they are black they attract and absorb sunlight and heat, which begins to melt the snows, effectively speeding up the effects of global warming, which is nature's way of "dealing" with humans for polluting the earth... and the cameras pan to these little flowers.

And, bizarre though it sounds, I actually found that strangely comforting. How screwed up is that?!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

And, bizarre though it sounds, I actually found that strangely comforting. How screwed up is that?!

Because I share your feelings of comfort, I'm gonna say it's not screwed up at all.

[dubman]

of course, the assumption would be that it'd play out like a TV special and only the truly greedy get fucked.
when the reality is that you and me and millions of other people would be in dire straits, and whoever remains would still have that percentage of greedy fucks milling around making the same rules under different guises.
but y'know. i'm tired of death's impact hinging on the number of people dead, that it's perfectly reasonable to believe that if you dont do it someone else will (because it's proven again and again that someone else always does), and that we care more about our neighborhood as we get older because the world is too big to concern yourself with. property values and power plays. using mozart for snack commercials and struggling to recognize truth and humanity in people. something is fundamentally fucked.

but i suppose it's lazy thinking that a catatstrophe is needed to change that.

[/useless hippieism masking some other form of malaise that i'll uncover at some point]

[den]

That's an interesting idea, of the planet or nature turning against people. Some sort of "Event" or "Incident" or "Occurrence." I bet that would make a great movie. For sure.

[IsiliRunite]

I wouldn't consider it an infestation, like rabbits that outproduce their food supply; rather our presence has increased in size without the world-wide accountability and contextual thinking increasing among individual and therefore storybook human flaw fuck-ups just affect more and destroy more than they used to. Soon, we might reach something on the scale of extinction. If we haven't already.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by IsiliRunite

I wouldn't consider it an infestation, like rabbits that outproduce their food supply; rather our presence has increased in size without the world-wide accountability and contextual thinking increasing among individual and therefore storybook human flaw fuck-ups just affect more and destroy more than they used to. Soon, we might reach something on the scale of extinction. If we haven't already.

I would agree with that. Basically, that our societal intellect hasn't evolved enough to keep our capacity to do damage in check as the population grows.

[dubman]

yeah but just because we have the capacity and lack of perspective doesnt mean that we're on a crash course for it. people make the best cases for humanity in eloquent speches that start the slow swing back to the other side, but during that time we'd be in the midst of committing the worst atrocities against it. and there's too many variables. i can see millions, even a couple billion happening, but man-made extinction is too alarmist for my blood. we just need enough to change the fundamental rules that make further destruction something too horrifically empty to not stubbornly fight against. if we're like cockroaches we can live like them, damn it.
if we go completely, it'd be indirectly related to us, and primarily a natural event. imo.

[IsiliRunite]

I mean, we are so bad at doing things fully we might not be able to fuck up ourselves without abandoning ship via coincidence; global warming being at least buffered by the disappearance of oil, not principle. The possibility of nuclear holocaust was, and still is, the greatest threat to any human being per button-push in history, though... it may becoming easier.

I wonder what its gonna take for the world fisheries to realize the only reasonable solution to population diving is too have structured, logical breeding areas on at least 30% of the worlds oceans. and the nitrates we dump into the ocean....sad.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by IsiliRunite

. . .and the nitrates we dump into the ocean....sad.

I thought nitrates were for chest pain? And not to use them in combination with Viagra(Trust me, I don't need it).

WOW, you learn something new everyday!

[IsiliRunite]

I think Sildenafil relaxes the walls of blood vessels in the penis by triggering nitrous oxide release in that specific region of the body but it can also sometimes lower arterial pressure throughout the body, and that would double-dose with nitrates. I think.