Surveillance Society

[cacophony]

we need to come around to the realization that there is no such thing as 100% security, 100% protection, 100% safety. freedom and liberty and all those good concepts are associated with an implicit and necessary insecurity. the moment we lost all perspective on that is the moment we gave our governments the right to tap our phones and take away our cameras and any other freedom we can imagine.

legislators react in knee-jerk policies that give heavy-handed police forces all the legitimacy they need to crack down on guilty and innocent alike. it's as though the logic is, "well the terrorists could do that, too..." guess what? they can also breathe, think, speak, travel, dine out, go to the park, eat a hot dog, make a balloon animal, howl at the moon and watch the discovery channel. that doesn't mean you ban or scrutinize those things simply because you can imagine a scenario where an unsavory character could partake of those activities. hell, they could communicate by semaphore if they wanted to. should we ban all flags?

it's just not politically correct to say it, but we all need to just be realistic and realize the goal of 100% security will do nothing but restrict our freedoms to the point complete annihilation.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by Rog

and soon they will be able to lock you up for 40-odd days for innocently taking a snap.

but its ok for them to film you! i had a run in with the filth at a shrewsbury match last year, they were videoing a group of us walking to the match which we didn't take to as we are all 'law abiding' so we had a go at them verbally and i almost got arrested when i refused to give the officious bastards my name and address..............i hadn't done anything wrong at all

blahblahblah police state blahblah.........

Oooh! Oooh!

Someone is having a go on this point in the High Court today. Nice one.