www.dirty.org/underworld/

[lloyd]

Wank design = pr0n
But ok, people who have less/poor sight will have problems with some designs etc. Perhaps a 'printable version' button of the news and some other items is a solution there.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Originally Posted by Eikman

yeah, why not make it textbased only

Told you so!

[Yannick]

Originally Posted by goldfish

Now is the time to build in standards compliance; get rid of all those font tags, fixed font sizes, background colours, tables for layout etc. Make your site accessible to all, not just people like you.

www.w3c.org/wai
www.alistapart.com
www.zeldman.com

Simon

i'll have a look at that thank.. my font are screwed up at the moment

[goldfish]

Originally Posted by King of Snake

I think Yannick has been clear enough about the fact that none of the current designs on dirty (or the forum for that matter) are permanent or final versions.

Surely this then is the best time to highlight the need to do things properly. It's not difficult to achieve, and can still incorporate arrays of coloured blobs and grainy photos, but you do need to do it now rather than leave it until later.

We're not in the dark ages of Frontpage-designed IE-only 1024x768 full of <marquee> tags and flashing gifs any more. We know how to do things better, so that everyone can use them, and they can be used from anywhere; the information and expertise is all around us.

Originally Posted by King of Snake

oh yeah, that's real cool by the way how you put "design" in quotation marks. Care to elaborate on the difference between "real" design and art wank "design"?

Good design looks good, is functional and inclusive. It doesn't restrict itself or fail to do the job it's designed to do purely in order to look good. And it brings everyone to the party.

Bad "design" is a beautiful spiral staircase, all steel wire, back lit glass steps and brushed aluminium bannisters that doesn't reach from the ground floor to the 1st.

That's a physical equivalent of the photoshop-wankery that gets passed off as design here. It may be art, but it isn't design.

Simon

[goldfish]

Originally Posted by lloyd

But ok, people who have less/poor sight will have problems with some designs etc. Perhaps a 'printable version' button of the news and some other items is a solution there.

FFS

[stimpee]

Hey Yan, im using top internet browser Lynx. your site looks rubbish mate. sort it out! ascii is where its at!

[goldfish]

Originally Posted by stimpee

Hey Yan, im using top internet browser Lynx. your site looks rubbish mate. sort it out! ascii is where its at!

Hey Yannick,

I'm using my PDA your site looks like rubbish mate. Sort it out! Small is where it's at!

I'm using my phone your site looks like rubbish mate. Sort it out! Tiny is where it's at!

I'm colourblind and can't read any of the text on your site. Sort it out! High contrast style sheets is where it's at!

I'm blind and use a spoken word browser and your site works like shit. Sort it out! Structured HTML is where it's at!

I have mobility problems and can't use my mouse so your site works like shit. Sort it out! Structured HTML with accesskeys is where it's at!

I use a proper browser that your non-standards compliant HTML doesn't seem to like, so I can't read your site. Sort it out! Anything but IE is where it's at!

Et cetera

Try reading, Stimp. Standards-compliance isn't about preventing you from polluting the interweb with sub-graffitti 'art', it's about making sure that those who don't want it, don't need it, can't use it, etc. can still get the information they want from your site. Sure you can stick with half-arsed 1990's table-based layouts, full of sliced images from Photoshop or Fireworks. But most people are more interested in passing information to their users/customers, rather than tossing off in HTML.

Quick check with aDesigner yielded almost 200 accessibility problems with the news page, all of them easily avoidable. If you think accessibility isn't important, feel free to let me stab you in both eyes with a compass and then we'll see how much you enjoy finding out information about your favourite bands on teh interweb.

Simon

edit BTW Yannick, I'm not having a go at you, just the pricks telling you that doing the job properly isn't worthwhile.

[stimpee]

Simon, sort it out mate, realising that i was joking is where its at

I highly doubt that anyone uses Lynx to visit Dirty, but if youre interested, you can read about it here.

Lighten up

[Forgotten Sanity]

Personally, I don't really care if the site is pretty or not, functional should be your main focus. The only thing that I can tell you about compliance is, please don't use Times New Roman. I always have an easier time reading sans-serif text.

Hey Yannick,

I'm using my PDA your site looks like rubbish mate. Sort it out! Small is where it's at!

I'm using my phone your site looks like rubbish mate. Sort it out! Tiny is where it's at!

I'm colourblind and can't read any of the text on your site. Sort it out! High contrast style sheets is where it's at!

I'm blind and use a spoken word browser and your site works like shit. Sort it out! Structured HTML is where it's at!

I have mobility problems and can't use my mouse so your site works like shit. Sort it out! Structured HTML with accesskeys is where it's at!

I use a proper browser that your non-standards compliant HTML doesn't seem to like, so I can't read your site. Sort it out! Anything but IE is where it's at!

You're a real piece of work aren't you Goldfish?

[goldfish]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Sanity

You're a real piece of work aren't you Goldfish?

Errr. a) we seem to agree on this issue, b) having politely pointed it out, we've had a stream of 'text-browser' piss-taking from people who demonstrably don't know what they're talking about. I replied in kind.

Whatever.

Simon