Beaucoup Fish - 4 CD Remastered Deluxe Box Set (8/25/2017)

[khouri]

I love Kittens. But these criticisms are thoughtful. Can't really argue except to say "But i like it anyway."

[dubman]

does it all just click together and work for you, or is there something you think we're missing that makes it more complex than we give it credit for?

what is kittens
why is rez
how is banstyle

[khouri]

Originally Posted by dubman

does it all just click together and work for you, or is there something you think we're missing that makes it more complex than we give it credit for?

what is kittens
why is rez
how is banstyle

On the surface level, the rhythms and sounds and all the accents, crashes and noises are just pure catnip to me (no pun intended). But I think Kittens tells a kind of story, in an abstract art kind of way. You begin with this almost evil sounding invasion of percussion punctuated with these sinister bass notes. They build and build ominously for half the track, but then the bright keyboard pads start to rise out of the noise and ultimate beat back the cacophony of drums. When the keyboard solos, it feels like the sun's come out. Then when the drums come back you've got this programmed vs. live thing going on, where Rick is obviously playing those keys around the drums.

It feels like a narrative to me.

[dubman]

Originally Posted by khouri

On the surface level, the rhythms and sounds and all the accents, crashes and noises are just pure catnip to me (no pun intended). But I think Kittens tells a kind of story, in an abstract art kind of way. You begin with this almost evil sounding invasion of percussion punctuated with these sinister bass notes. They build and build ominously for half the track, but then the bright keyboard pads start to rise out of the noise and ultimate beat back the cacophony of drums. When the keyboard solos, it feels like the sun's come out. Then when the drums come back you've got this programmed vs. live thing going on, where Rick is obviously playing those keys around the drums.

It feels like a narrative to me.

what a graphic and novel perspective

i kid. i did usually imagine the track in the context of whatever game or show or comic i was consuming at the time, so i see where you're coming from with that. i guess after so much of that kind of history it all peels off over time and i'm left with a great big box containing a remaster made to stand all on its own.

[TheBang]

Lx_Nen told me the download code was all 4 discs, in 16/44 WAV.

[philth]

In relation to all the Kittens discussions going on, Darren Emerson once told me that Kittens was effectively "his track". Might go some way to explaining why it dated differently to the other tracks if it was developed more as a DJ friendly track. Just a thought.

[khouri]

Originally Posted by philth

In relation to all the Kittens discussions going on, Darren Emerson once told me that Kittens was effectively "his track". Might go some way to explaining why it dated differently to the other tracks if it was developed more as a DJ friendly track. Just a thought.

This sort of jibes with my interpretation of the track. It's Emerson vs. Smith.

[pandamagic]

Originally Posted by philth

In relation to all the Kittens discussions going on, Darren Emerson once told me that Kittens was effectively "his track". Might go some way to explaining why it dated differently to the other tracks if it was developed more as a DJ friendly track. Just a thought.

Ah, that makes sense then. I've always been more of a Rick than a Darren. More of a Barrel of a Gun Soft Mix than a Barrel of a Gun Hard Mix.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by philth

In relation to all the Kittens discussions going on, Darren Emerson once told me that Kittens was effectively "his track". Might go some way to explaining why it dated differently to the other tracks if it was developed more as a DJ friendly track. Just a thought.

I don't consider Kittens a DJ friendly at all. Perhaps it started as such but developed into something different.

I have read / heard in interviews in the past that Darren had a fondness for the track, particularly when he was "road testing" some tracks during DJ sets.

For me, the track that has dated the most is Moaner, and I was disappointed that there were no off-cuts or early versions in this box set, particularly as there is the awesome Relentless Legs mix.

I also feel there is more of a story to tell with King of Snake, another track that was "road tested" in some form, and had clearly gone through significant changes before the album version. The Garage version shows how far the band were trying to push the boundaries.

[khouri]

Originally Posted by Mike

I don't consider Kittens a DJ friendly at all. Perhaps it started as such but developed into something different..

Yeah, now that you mention it, hard to imagine Kittens playing in a nightclub, at least here in the US. But then again Underworld music has always been better than club music.

Originally Posted by Mike

I also feel there is more of a story to tell with King of Snake, another track that was "road tested" in some form, and had clearly gone through significant changes before the album version. The Garage version shows how far the band were trying to push the boundaries.

Hadn't thought of this but you're right. A Nuxx-style evolution disc would be most welcome, and would probably include some variation on the back half of Ramajama. Fabulous idea.