U.S. Presidential Election 2008

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by cacophony

i wouldn't be too overconfident in obama's favor. i've talked to several undecideds today and they all felt like obama failed to give substantive answers to many of the questions. the impression he left with those still deciding is that he wasn't able to move past his usual rhetoric and show real knowledge and understanding of economic issues.

I think that's fair. That is to say, I think they have a reasonable point. the whole night was painful for any obama supporter to watch. I actually wasn't too happy with the man all day wednesday, with his comments putting jimmy carter out to the pasture for meeting hamas and basically cloning conservative rhertoric against iran in the debate. I don't think it reflected well on the image he's cultivated.

I mean I understand that to have said anything else would have been political hemlock, but it has been his defiance against such unspoken political rules that have allowed people to accept him in spite of his admittedly nebulous platform of change.

[cacophony]

i dreamed last night that hillary clinton was in atlanta, going door to door to press the flesh with voters. she came to my house and was asking me small-talk chit chat stuff and i mentioned that i'm knocked up. she handed me a cup of liquid and said, "well you're going to love this, it's a health drink that's really good for pregnant women." i drank it and immediately started having a miscarriage. she raised an eyebrow, smiled, and left.

i wonder what it means.

[Deckard]

It means you shouldn't eat just before bedtime.

(oh, and that Hillary's the anti-Christ.)

[cacophony]

^ tell that to the crazy hungries in my belly.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by cacophony

i wouldn't be too overconfident in obama's favor. i've talked to several undecideds today and they all felt like obama failed to give substantive answers to many of the questions. the impression he left with those still deciding is that he wasn't able to move past his usual rhetoric and show real knowledge and understanding of economic issues.

don't shoot the messenger, this is just what i've been hearing all day.

This is absolutely fair....I definitely felt that he was slightly off his game in the debate, but not in a damaging way...at least not to me personally.

What it comes down to for me was that he pretty much maintained status quo - no big slip-ups, no big strides forward - but Hillary gave up her biggest argument against Obama, and I think that'll really hurt her ability to sway superdelegates (as if she was able to sway them before)...and this election will definitely be decided by superdelegates. She can no longer argue to any of them that she believes Obama is unelectable without being squarely, and fairly, labeled a liar about it. They've surely all seen or heard that she answered "yes, yes, yes" when asked if Obama can beat McCain in November. And her argument now, that she said he "can" win, not that he "will" win, is absolutely useless and weak. That's where I see the net benefit for Obama.

And once the nomination is sealed up, he can focus on fighting one rival, McCain, instead of facing two. As soon as McCain has to start answering questions about Iraq and the economy, I think we'll see an increase in overall support for Obama.



And Cacophony, your dream sounds bizarre and creepy, but also sounds perfectly reasonable and to be expected to me on some visceral level...

[Sean]

Scathing critique of Hillary's campaign from Robert Reich, "Bill Clinton's first Secretary of Labor and a friend of both the former president and his wife for four decades":

"I saw the ads" — the negative man-on-street commercials that the Clinton campaign put up in Pennsylvania in the wake of Obama's bitter/cling comments a week ago — "and I was appalled, frankly. I thought it represented the nadir of mean-spirited, negative politics. And also of the politics of distraction, of gotcha politics. It's the worst of all worlds. We have three terrible traditions that we've developed in American campaigns. One is outright meanness and negativity. The second is taking out of context something your opponent said, maybe inartfully, and blowing it up into something your opponent doesn't possibly believe and doesn't possibly represent. And third is a kind of tradition of distraction, of getting off the big subject with sideshows that have nothing to do with what matters. And these three aspects of the old politics I've seen growing in Hillary's campaign. And I've come to the point, after seeing those ads, where I can't in good conscience not say out loud what I believe about who should be president. Those ads are nothing but Republicanism. They're lending legitimacy to a Republican message that's wrong to begin with, and they harken back to the past twenty years of demagoguery on guns and religion. It's old politics at its worst — and old Republican politics, not even old Democratic politics. It's just so deeply cynical."

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/04...h_to_endo.html

[Strangelet]

yeah he's the same guy I quoted here

http://www.darktrain.org/dirty/forums/showpost.php?p=93787&postcount=5

and I think he's awesome smart.

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by cacophony

i wonder what it means.

Frightmares as such are rather quite common with first pregnancies. And I'm guessing this is your first. Not necessarily with Clinton in them, but hey, it is election year and it's obviously something else of great importance to you.

Congrats BTW.

[cacophony]

thank you. and it is my first pregnancy although i've never needed that excuse to have bad dreams.

[Deckard]

A South Carolina pastor says he wasn't trying to be political when he posted a sign in front of his church linking Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden.





(And another for the stories about Hillary's regained momentum that will shortly follow tonight)