parah salin?

[gambit]

Well, McCain has a bunch of Bush guys working on his campaign, and supposedly (according to Countdown) Karl Rove is working on the campaign now.

[cacophony]

i'm disgusted with mccain. he's always been a different sort of politician, but in his desperation to win this contest he's allowing himself to sink to levels that he's always outwardly spoken of as detestable. it's impossible to tell who's coming out ahead at this point, what with the media in full-blown tabloid hysteria mode (which rarely reflects true public interest) but it's making it difficult for me to see a possible win for mccain that won't leave me feeling ashamed of him and our country for falling for these tactics.

i voted for mccain in the michigan republican primaries during his first run against GWB. according to the rules of michigan party politics, as a registered democrat this meant giving up my right to vote in the democratic primary for both that and the next election. i was willing to jump party lines because i believed he was different and really stood for the kinds of ideas he spouted. he was one of a small handful of politicians i actually respected because i felt like he was above these kinds of political machinations.

but at this point it's like he's become twisted. it isn't about winning on his terms, it's about winning by any means necessary. and for me, who used to believe in his integrity, it's a more disgusting display than if it were any other politician.

[Sarcasmo]

Originally Posted by gambit

Well, McCain has a bunch of Bush guys working on his campaign, and supposedly (according to Countdown) Karl Rove is working on the campaign now.

Oh, that's just great. Someone wanna ask McCain what a soul is going for nowadays?

[gambit]

Yeah, and one of those guys was responsible for the "McCain has a black baby" smear of 2000.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by cacophony

i'm disgusted with mccain. he's always been a different sort of politician, but in his desperation to win this contest he's allowing himself to sink to levels that he's always outwardly spoken of as detestable. it's impossible to tell who's coming out ahead at this point, what with the media in full-blown tabloid hysteria mode (which rarely reflects true public interest) but it's making it difficult for me to see a possible win for mccain that won't leave me feeling ashamed of him and our country for falling for these tactics.

i voted for mccain in the michigan republican primaries during his first run against GWB. according to the rules of michigan party politics, as a registered democrat this meant giving up my right to vote in the democratic primary for both that and the next election. i was willing to jump party lines because i believed he was different and really stood for the kinds of ideas he spouted. he was one of a small handful of politicians i actually respected because i felt like he was above these kinds of political machinations.

but at this point it's like he's become twisted. it isn't about winning on his terms, it's about winning by any means necessary. and for me, who used to believe in his integrity, it's a more disgusting display than if it were any other politician.

You've just perfectly summed up exactly how I feel about McCain at this point.

I may have said this previously in another thread, but I can't help but think that at some point when this is all over, McCain will look back at how much he compromised his principles in this campaign, and he'll realize what a blight it is on his personal legacy. I can only hope he still has the decency to at least recognize that....

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

(.....) = stars

(......) = uuum, six? What is that number again?

(.......) = opposite the number 6 number

(........) = infinity (x2 for me)

(.........) = kinda like 6, but upside down(according to Hollywood at least)

[kagenaki koe]

Originally Posted by Sean

I may have said this previously in another thread, but I can't help but think that at some point when this is all over, McCain will look back at how much he compromised his principles in this campaign, and he'll realize what a blight it is on his personal legacy. I can only hope he still has the decency to at least recognize that....

i think it was in the recent Times or Newsweek where they wrote maybe this is the real mccain and not the one from 2000

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

(.....) = stars

(......) = uuum, six? What is that number again?

(.......) = opposite the number 6 number

(........) = infinity (x2 for me)

(.........) = kinda like 6, but upside down(according to Hollywood at least)

Just in case the modershakers get out of hand. Again.

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by kagenaki koe

i think it was in the recent Times or Newsweek where they wrote maybe this is the real mccain and not the one from 2000

i don't know. he really has made a career out of taking a stand on ethical issues even if they set him apart from his party. to say this is suddenly the "real" mccain would mean he's spent decades building up a big scam just to end up flip-flopping in 2008 and showing himself as insincere.

it would be different if he didn't have the record that he has, but you can't deny his record. you don't have to agree with everything he's done but you can't say he's spent his career pandering. that didn't start until GWB needed his endorsement during his re-bid for office. that was when mccain threw in the towel and showed he was willing to be a shill.

[Deckard]

Some of Palin's remarks that I quoted earlier....

...our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God....That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan.
...
"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built."

ABC tonight released an early transcript of parts of an interview with Palin...

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?

PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.

GIBSON: Exact words.

PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln's words when he said -- first, he suggested never presume to know what God's will is, and I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words.

Let me just break here and say hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Ok, continue....

...but what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that's a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side.

That's what that comment was all about, Charlie. //

GIBSON: I take your point about Lincoln's words, but you went on and said, "There is a plan and it is God's plan."

PALIN: I believe that there is a plan for this world and that plan for this world is for good. I believe that there is great hope and great potential for every country to be able to live and be protected with inalienable rights that I believe are God-given, Charlie, and I believe that those are the rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That, in my world view, is a grand -- the grand plan.

GIBSON: But then are you sending your son on a task that is from God?

PALIN: I don't know if the task is from God, Charlie. What I know is that my son has made a decision. I am so proud of his independent and strong decision he has made, what he decided to do and serving for the right reasons and serving something greater than himself and not choosing a real easy path where he could be more comfortable and certainly safer.

Thou shalt tie thyself up in knots....