Burial

[kid cue]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

Various are less dubstep to you than Burial? I completely disagree. alright, Various obv. do many diff. genres but they've also done tunes that are much closer to the sound of dubstep than Burial. guess what? Dubstep dj's vibe off/play Various cuts!

that's fine, i don't really listen to Various and i've never heard them played out, so it's my personal dubstep mind that doesn't care. they may have made tracks that have archetypal dubstep qualities, but they don't have the same social-cultural-musical resonance that Burial has (not just for me but for everyone), even if none of his songs resemble the "standard dubstep template" as much as 1 or 2 Various songs. as far as "dubstep" goes, Various mean about as much to me as Squarepusher appeals to my junglist side (ie 0.1%).

i guess i would be OK with defining some songs of Burial's as dubstep but mostly his albums sound like Ambient albums that are influenced by 2step, dub and dnb.

i don't see what the point of making this distinction is. you say you aren't preoccupied with genre labels but you clearly are, insofar as they help you find the "truth" about what an artist's genre DNA is. fine if Burial sounds like ambient that has dnb in it, but RIGHT NOW he is also a dubstep artist making dubstep records that emerge from the dubstep scene. Mala draws from house and makes dubstep. ditto Loefah for hip-hop. what's the point? everything has the potential of sounding like such-and-such album that is influenced by such-and-such genres.

[BrotherLovesDub]

certainly Burial isn't part of the Dubstep scene. he's going through great lengths to not be seen as coming from any camp. i think you are making a distinction between Burial and Various because you think Various is cheesy while Burial has cred. Various and Burial are both on the periphery of Dubstep. Neither deserves to be labelled Dubstep.

If you asked Burial what kind of music he makes do you think he'd say Dubstep?

[kid cue]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

certainly Burial isn't part of the Dubstep scene. he's going through great lengths to not be seen as coming from any camp. i think you are making a distinction between Burial and Various because you think Various is cheesy while Burial has cred. Various and Burial are both on the periphery of Dubstep. Neither deserves to be labelled Dubstep.

why do you have to come up with a personal issue that people have whenever they disagree with your musical opinions? i don't think Various is cheesy and i never said anything like that. Burial obviously DOES have cred; that's 50% of what i've been trying to say.

he is a pretty unique figure in that he & his music are based on being an observer/commentator on the scene, but they're also embraced by the scene.

If you asked Burial what kind of music he makes do you think he'd say Dubstep?

i don't know. for this purpose, it doesn't really matter what he thinks. dubstep loves Burial and so he is a part of it. i do know that he himself is part of the dubstep scene, and that he adores El-B and DMZ productions, while being well aware his music isn't made for the dancefloor. i don't know what that all means wrt whether discogs.com should be able to give him a dubstep tag or not, and i don't care.

[Leon]

The only song I really can't stand though, is Shell Of Light. track 10 on the album, just like Broken Home on the first album, which I can't stand either. What the fuck was he thinking.

For the rest, I'm enjoying it really much.

[kid cue]

i feel the same way about Shell of Light, it sounds like Charles Webster (who i like, but.........). still trying to get into it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by kid cue

i feel the same way about Shell of Light, it sounds like Charles Webster (who i like, but.........). still trying to get into it.

Hey Kid Cue, as you seem to be the "expert" around here for this kind of music: I'm looking for an off tha hook, raw, hard grime set. I Luv U (sorry to give you this obvious example, I'm new to the music) kinda stuff. Loud crashing snares and aggressive rapping. And bass of course.

Do you know a good one?

[joethelion]

so - I finally got the flac of the album off of bleep

and daaaaaamn

some of that bass is heavy

it's crazy how dependent the music is on having the audio in uncompressed format... and I feel it's much more noticeable on Burial's second album than on the first

I also finally got around to buying that "Mary Anne Hobbs - Warrior Dubz" compilation... I already had a good portion of the tracks on it, but there were some I either wanted in lossless (b/c I only had them in mp3) or still hadn't scored a copy of a couple of others

if there was only like... one club within the loose region around the midwest that played this shit, as the only chances I have to get a proper listen of that deep sub-bass is in my car or at my father's home on his magna-planar speakers

[dubman]

what's wrong with shell of light?

what wrong with any of it, actually

[GforGroove]

Originally Posted by dubman

what's wrong with shell of light?

what wrong with any of it, actually

Yeah! What's wrong with Shell of light? i looove it. But i do love more the fainted female voice in Raver. Oh man, Untrue is such a HOT album.

But really, UK is the most beautiful thing.

[joethelion]

yea - "Untrue" is a fabulous album, and it def much more cohesive of an album over the first one