GWB hates women

[dubman]

Originally Posted by Sean

1. But you're not actually proving any point here about it being inherently misogynistic. All you're doing is giving your stance on abortion and then claiming that this stance is somehow proof that anyone who disagrees must therefore be a misogynist.

2. But the fact is, women simply aren't at the core of the issue in this debate from the pro-life point of view.

3. What's at the core of the issue is the problem that pro-lifers would have with you labeling a fetus as a "parasite". Of course technically, a fetus IS a parasite, but referring to it as such is pretty clearly meant as a means of de-humanizing it, and that's where the difference in ideologies lies - not in feelings towards women.


4. And to take it a step further, if I followed your logic on the misogyny issue, I could then go ahead and say that clearly, you must hate men. Because all you're talking about here is the rights of a woman, but you're completely ignoring what the fathers of aborted babies may want, so clearly, you have no regard for men and must hate them. Would that be a fair or accurate conclusion for me to reach?

1. i cant *prove* misogyny because i'm not a woman. all i have is observations and opinions based off of them. if i'm off then okay i'd like for it to make sense otherwise one day, but two dudes arguing about what it is seems a little ludicrous to me. if you want to logically 'prove' institutionalized discrimination then i bet you can find people of all beliefs using different brands of 'logic' to swing their way. or you could just take the hard truth from those who get it in their face all day. and, i guess, be smart enough to distinguish bullshit from whats real and problematic

2. your aim is productivity, and that these people have legitimate, or at least understandable, grounding and should be heard because theyre here whether we like it or not and the sooner we live together the easier this will be. my ground is that theyre fucking retards holding back all things good and decent and should be the last people given clout or compromised with.

3. i dont believe that. i think they might believe superficially that it is, but i'm cynical and really think it stems from a long line of maintaining some form of control. again, opinion. a vehement one, but an opinion nonetheless

4. i think this is only an issue if dad doesnt have the resources to care for the kid and she still wants to have it. how this would happen is a little baffling, since no mom who wants a kid bad enough is also going to want to raise them up with nothing to give them, but who knows. but as far as having a say before a woman gets an abortion, i say it's ridiculous. guys planting one seed out of a lifetime supply compared to months of exhaustive care, risk, and obsessive health monitoring aka: doing the whole fucking thing? gtf-outta here, that's borderline facetious. you haven't done shit and dont pretend you have some conceptual say to bridge the dissonance. i dont hate men, because i dont hate myself, but i'll call a spade if it smells like one, and it's a long road to prove otherwise. i hate many MANY aspects of dudely culture and rationalization that dont sit right with me at all and keep me perpetually malcontent. and i think as long as it's that cuture that sitting comfortably meting out media, priveleges, and graciously allowing everyone else to function like they do, there's going to be problems. it's got nothing to do with gender, but what's running the hideous custerfuck currently running.