Beaucoup Fish - 4 CD Remastered Deluxe Box Set (8/25/2017)

[khouri]

Two discs of outsourced garbage. Those remixes were crap then and they're even worse now. Underworld has always been better than everyone else, nobody has done these tracks justice. Truly astonished that they're not loading up this set with material from what's unquestionably the zenith of Underworld Live, not to mention Anti-Rom and the Lemonworld tracks from the era. This really could have been the most auspicious of the reissues and instead it's the least.

[nelfun5]

Originally Posted by khouri

Two discs of outsourced garbage. Those remixes were crap then and they're even worse now. Underworld has always been better than everyone else, nobody has done these tracks justice. Truly astonished that they're not loading up this set with material from what's unquestionably the zenith of Underworld Live, not to mention Anti-Rom and the Lemonworld tracks from the era. This really could have been the most auspicious of the reissues and instead it's the least.

Amen to that.

[big screen satellite]

personally, i think we're being a little 'fan boy' unfair to this release...

I think its pretty comprehensive - its 4 discs (remastered)

its the remastered original album - which obviously everyone owns, but that's the point of the remaster...
a complete disc of totally unheard of takes, tracks and exclusives that Rick has dug out, be grateful for this!!!!

and two discs sets of remixes

this is all of the remixes of the singles (or the essential remixes) including at least three never released remixes (the DJ Zinc mix of Bruce Lee is really good tbf).

you have to remember this album was released at the time of peak single remixing and publicity - this album was like The Phantom Menace when it came to marketing and licencing and remixing it up for a wider audience. (is it because it came out in the same year perhaps??)

the Italian KOS mixes were really hard to get hold of at the time, and a lot of the stuff was vinyl / promo only.

I don't think putting any live tracks on these releases is a great idea, i know they put a whole disc of BS versions on the the STITI release, but this was to highlight the track progression, rather than to give us the 'best' live versions. Live needs to be separated out imo.

this album also gave us a route to EE and that is the 'live disc' that should accompany this release.

maybe we'll get a More Everything Everything remaster later...

i reckon that there are a fair few fans out there who will want all of these tracks on one set, like this...

but i also reckon that there are a fair few fan boys on here who basically have every version of every track off this album already - regardless of how it was packaged - they would still bloody moan about something being missed...

remixes of Underworld tracks are contentious (and are with every band), but also i think in this case essential.

This LP release finally got Underworld into a much wider market, with the various 'genre remixes' of the singles. and i think they need to be on here.

whether you like it or not, remixing makes the world go round...

anyway, i think we should embrace this release, could it have been better possibly, but i wouldn't remove any of the content, just add another disc

[holden]

Amen to that, BSS!
I got into UW around the BF era and indeed did seek out as much as possible, remixes included. Would it have been awesome to have the Blue Mountain gig remastered? Sure, but I can still enjoy the old UWlive downloaded version, along with a lot of other tracks and live cuts made available in that era. Of the other box sets, I only really listen to the rarities discs, occasionally the remastered lp, because I have most everything else. It's hard to please everyone, but I'd like to believe that some thought went into collating this box set, including rate remixes that even some of the most devoted fans won't have and the other remixes that a less obsessed fan might not have.

[dubman]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

personally, i think we're being a little 'fan boy' unfair to this release...

who, if not fanboys'n'girls, will be buying this?

[big screen satellite]

i know fan boys / girls will be the main audience for this, but there are a serious lot more UW fans out there than frequent this forum, who probably do NOT have anywhere near as much stuff as the 1% in here do... every uw gig sells out, THOSE fan boys / girls may be the target audience...


re: moaner mixes

i suspect that there may have been licencing issues over Moaner, as it was released via Warner for the B&R movie, and only the album version is available...

re: remastering

Remastered - I understand that this whole set has been remastered, as far as i remember the Italian KOS remixes were poor quality before...so here's hoping they sound better here. i hope they remastered the remixes too.



I think if we're looking at the reasons for this release. It is a complete 'update' of what was released at the time of BF, plus all of Ricks' back room cuts - I believe anything that was a decent full track would have been included on disc 2.

And then most of the Remixes that came with it or to promote it (3 PU 12" promos were issued FFS!). They commissioned their own music to be remixed by some pretty decent producers at the time... Heck, Underworld were themselves remixing people to bits in the 90's - UW are dance music and this was the album that they pimped out.

Do we merit two discs of remixes...? well yes as they are part of what made this album a success, like it or not,

and no - but no only because there is demand for live versions in its place (we may well get another live album - but tbh - UW did do a deal to release a load of live albums a while back, and we also had EE)

Live albums are real fan boy bounty. which is why UW have never had any issue with live recordings being shared - more live on disc? defeats the object of seeing them yourself, imo.


With STITI and Dubno, there were much less remixes. Don't hate the package - it is what it is. fan boys don't have to buy it... and probably won't but i'm sure UW are not gonna go broke.

annnd no one seems to bemoan the fact we're getting a re-issue of an album less than 20 years old, which will make either the original purchase of BF redundant (as the sound quality will be better) - are you happy that the cost of the old album isn't being refunded

everyone wants to hear disc 2 (and perhaps a couple of the unreleased remixes), and in order to get that you're gonna have to buy the lot... harsh, but i've seen worse repackage deals for one or two new tracks... and some crappy sleeve notes...

[Dino3D]

No double CD edition? That's a shame, but now I don't have to spend money on this reissue.

[purlieu]

I think the problem really is that two of those discs aren't produced by Underworld. I thought there might well have been a single disc of remixes, but half the set given over to other people's productions just seems lacking in actual Underworld. Do we need both Hype & Zinc versions of Bruce Lee?

And in terms of fanboyisms, surely a 4CD set like this is mostly aimed at fanboys. The lack of 2CD set really suggests that they're not pursuing a more 'casual buyer' approach this time around.

I just can't imagine many people playing, in particular, disc 3 on a regular basis.

[King of Snake]

Originally Posted by purlieu

I think the problem really is that two of those discs aren't produced by Underworld. I thought there might well have been a single disc of remixes, but half the set given over to other people's productions just seems lacking in actual Underworld. Do we need both Hype & Zinc versions of Bruce Lee?

And in terms of fanboyisms, surely a 4CD set like this is mostly aimed at fanboys. The lack of 2CD set really suggests that they're not pursuing a more 'casual buyer' approach this time around.

I just can't imagine many people playing, in particular, disc 3 on a regular basis.

This. Though I guess I'm not playing the disc of different Nuxx mixes and live versions from STITI boxset on a regular basis either, at least it was their own mixes and live stuff. And now we get an Underworld boxset with no live tracks on it?? From one of the most prolific live eras of their career? That's just wrong. Who else is gonna buy this but fanboys (and girls)? By all means have a disc of the best remixes but disc 4 should have been a live set/collection, no question about it.
It doesn't even have their own awesome Moaner Relentless Legs mix on there but hey here's six fucking remixes of King of Snake by other people.
That second disk better be good.

SAD!

[negative1]

I think the first boxset was the best, 2nd toughest was better than this one.

Maybe sales weren't what was expected for the others, and so the budget for this might have been less, and therefore less material.

I wonder if they will do anymore after this. Maybe they will all just be 2xCD deluxe releases.

Maybe one more release would be worth a super deluxe treatment, but i'm having a hard time seeing more given this treatment.

later
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