10/7 Presidential Debate - Page 6

dubman · #51 10-07-2008, 08:19 PM

i'm liking this:

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McCain repeats what was in mantra in the first debate – Obama “does not understand” the nation’s national security responsibilities.

Obama, who some thought too often allowed that assertion to go unchallenged in the first debate, focuses on Iraq and seeks to turn the charge on its head. Recalling his opposition – as an Illinois state senator – to the congressional resolution authorizing force in Iraq, he says yes, he dies not “understand how we invaded a country that had nothing to do with” the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

“And it’s been costly to us,” he adds, focusing on the “enormous strain” the war has out on the federal budget – a point that may carry more force against the backdrop of the economic turmoil.

MCCAIN NUL POINTS

it could just be the delicious obama lovin bias in this forum, but the impression im getting is that while both are nutting out the same ol, obama is managing a legit answer or two in there while mccain "isnt really answering anything"
yes? no?

kagenaki koe · #52 10-07-2008, 08:21 PM

McCain lobbying for Georgia again.

kagenaki koe · #53 10-07-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dubman

both are nutting out the same ol, obama is managing a legit answer or two in there while mccain "isnt really answering anything"
yes? no?

yes. in a way McCain is just giving you the headline, Obama is telling you the actual article. that's the best analogy i can come up with.

gambit · #54 10-07-2008, 08:26 PM

At least McCain can pronounce "nuclear" correctly.

dubman · #55 10-07-2008, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kagenaki koe

yes. in a way McCain is just giving you the headline, Obama is telling you the actual article. that's the best analogy i can come up with.

good. i'm sensing people getting a wee bit tired of non-answers in the debate, and due to the royal mess we're in, are actually looking for someone who can DEFINE things.
i'm also thinking on a tangeant that mccains tack of spending all his cash on attack ads are going to get exhausting. you can be the "all-balls" candidate on war because it's (falsely) seen as needing someone who can see in black and white to do the right thing. but people know the economy is complicated, and it wont make people any smarter overall, but i bet they'll be looking more for who SOUNDS smarter than they usually do.

kagenaki koe · #56 10-07-2008, 08:34 PM

there was too much rinse repeat stump speech answers/attacks from McCain even for newer questions in this debate. too many "i know what it's like" just like his end statement"

gambit · #57 10-07-2008, 08:35 PM

Well, that was a bit of a mess. I'm obviously biased, but Obama came across a bit better in how he spoke.

cured · #58 10-07-2008, 08:52 PM

I wish McCain was just STFU about Iraq. The vast majority of this country does not support that war and wants to get out and he keeps beating on the drum that we'll leave when we feel like it. And he hammers Obama about stating that he'd invade an ally. Pakistan hasn't done shit for us, they disengaged themselves from the militant areas to save their own skins.

chuck · #59 10-07-2008, 09:03 PM

dammit - missed this one. was at school

Sullivan reckons Obama cleaned up.

10.33 pm. This was, I think, a mauling: a devastating and possibly electorally fatal debate for McCain. Even on Russia, he sounded a little out of it. I've watched a lot of debates and participated in many. I love debate and was trained as a boy in the British system to be a debater. I debated dozens of times at Oxofrd. All I can say is that, simply on terms of substance, clarity, empathy, style and authority, this has not just been an Obama victory. It has been a wipe-out.It has been about as big a wipe-out as I can remember in a presidential debate. It reminds me of the 1992 Clinton-Perot-Bush debate. I don't really see how the McCain campaign survives this.

kagenaki koe · #60 10-07-2008, 09:04 PM

i'd say they were both fairly even at the first third or half of the debate, and Obama (not following the format and launching more counterpoints) got better during the rest of the debate. it also didnt help that when McCain decided to also have time to launch into his own counterargument, he just went back to "i know how" schlock which didnt even address Obama's point.

well the first 2 debates are supposed to favor McCain (foreign policy, then town hall format) and he failed to really dominate in both.