New Japan only CD/DVD set coming soon

[BrotherLovesDub]

Originally Posted by negative1

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i guess this means i really don't have a basis to judge
anything from them? yeah, right...

later
-1

that's not at all what i'm saying. i know you've got a shit ton of UW stuff. i know you're a collector too. i also know that you've been unhappy with nearly everything UW have done for the last few years and since you've previously been someone i've felt had similar taste/interests, i'm surprised at how aggressively you've argued against the artistic direction/marketing from Underworld. we're just completely opposed w/r/t the 2005-2008 era.

[negative1]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

that's not at all what i'm saying. i know you've got a shit ton of UW stuff. i know you're a collector too. i also know that you've been unhappy with nearly everything UW have done for the last few years and since you've previously been someone i've felt had similar taste/interests, i'm surprised at how aggressively you've argued against the artistic direction/marketing from Underworld. we're just completely opposed w/r/t the 2005-2008 era.

honestly,
maybe i'm just tired/disappointed/going through the
cyclic thing called music burnout....

i feel that since beaucoup fish, things started going
awry..........all the way through ahdo..

and then the riverun series/concerts/releases woke me up
in what i can only describe as ecstasy..i've only just
gotten in the 'breaking and entering' soundtrack, all
the riverrun vinyls, and promos etc....

now thats exciting....and then to have owb come out,
and reverse that trend, and go back to who knows what
is all very surprising, and discouraging,(including most of the
2007-and early 2008 concerts).....especially when it seems,
via their radio shows, free releases, book of jams (etc)
[for rationale, see above posts]...are still so vibrant,
and full of promise...

i need to step back, take a deep breath, and calm down...
it's only music right?

anyways, i'm much happier now, working on several preservation
projects....and hoping for the best for the next new phase
of underworld material..

***THIS MESSAGE was brought to you medication free****

later
-1

[potatobroth]

I could easily agree with you, -1, on the AHDO sentiment. But OWB is an amazing album with some really great moments that rank up there with STiTI and Dubno. It's at this moment you lose me, and I suspect a great number of dirts, in your cruscade to point out what you think is bad with all the current creations.

[dubman]

i kinda agree with -1 on moodier days... when i dont feel that we should be grateful that underworld are still making good albums when we should be wondering why theyre not making great albums. their experimentation with riverrun and jam books doesnt carry over on proper album releases, and i wonder if it's that old veteran professionalism that has rigid beliefs about what an album means or if it's just plain cowardice. they've shown that they still have a wide range of modes and abilities with the internet albums that no one but us would pay attention to, so why pull out and get cinematic (and rather irrelevant to the rest of electronic music) and hyper-polished when it's supposed to be the world listening? their print output is also the richest and most accomplished of their career (even if i miss that rawness and deceptive disconnect that's actually inextricable from their music), it seems odd that its translation into the music seems diluted, or at least strained in relationship.

you might think i'd hate OWB but i dont. it's a beautiful album with wonderfully weird flaws that i keep coming back to, but i'm starting to learn finally that my favorite artists from 10 years ago arent beating the odds. their approach doesnt get better with time just by changing things up. the more advanced in years they get the more of a struggle it is for them to produce the down-to-the-marrow-excitement that made me shake and explode. granted, their longevity is unparralled compared to others, and maybe after 10 straight years it's not fair to expect more dimensions and surprises that i've already been given by them, but i'm feeling a big disconnect that doesnt make sense between the effort they put in their work and the overall quality of the output.

[mmm skyscraper]

But it must suck to realise you can release everything you've ever done on a torrent that could be downloaded in a couple of hours on broadband. Or that you can play whatever you want on a webcast. I think this would make deciding what to put on an album very difficult.

[potatobroth]

Originally Posted by dubman

i kinda agree with -1 on moodier days... when i dont feel that we should be grateful that underworld are still making good albums when we should be wondering why theyre not making great albums. their experimentation with riverrun and jam books doesnt carry over on proper album releases..

What then for those of us who feel that the RiverRuns feel unfinished and snipped? I feel OWB finished off a good deal of what RR has started and I love it.

[Flywaver]

Maybe then with all this moaning about remixes then can we have Underworld remixing other bands again...
Now that U2 mofo mix........

[potatobroth]

as for UW remixing other artists, I never cared for them either. what I love are the UW remixes and b-sides of their own work. I find that most other djs, producers, what-have-you never put close to the amount of thought or detail that UW puts into their own tracks. why would I want to listen to a UW track that has been simplified and 'dancified' with generic sounds?

[Cadevil]

Originally Posted by potatobroth

as for UW remixing other artists, I never cared for them either. what I love are the UW remixes and b-sides of their own work. I find that most other djs, producers, what-have-you never put close to the amount of thought or detail that UW puts into their own tracks. why would I want to listen to a UW track that has been simplified and 'dancified' with generic sounds?

I whole-heartedly agree. When UW mix their own tracks...a entirely new song is born...a la Dark Train, Dirty Guitar, and half the Pearl's Girl EP

[kontakt1968]

HI
cant find any trace of the bells the bells on the uw site does anyone know if itll be released there or is it hmv import for those of us in the u.k?