will everyone just stop...

[Future Proof]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

well, actually i was gonna post something else...

so here goes....

About your previous post missing the point in this thread... (although i agree with you regarding the bit rate thing - and it bothers me not, its like 'why buy a HD TV, but the quality is better'... its a matter of preference, and affordability)

But this entire thread has got nothing to do with bit rates at all, its about how people go about voicing their concerns - and not whining, moaning or spitting out their dummies when all is not 100%...

Had someone started a simple thread pointing out the differences of bit rates and engaged a nice friendly discussion on it then i wouldn't have got so stressed out by people 'moaning' (and i know i'm not the only one ) but someone started screaming and shouting and then people jumped on the bandwagon and i just thought it was not on - and now its been rectified by the powers that be, and people are still not happy beacuse they should have made the bit rate higher, or released it in Flac or whatever...

people - just start a discussion, but don't bash anyone... we can talk this through... Underworld are watching and they do take note, but keep it freindly eh???

i am definitely done now...


love and peace

Matt

Ok, so this is where we differ. I see a lot of complaining, but none of it is "OMG this is shit Rick and Karl are bastards I hate UW and want my money back!" When you love a certain thing, sometimes no gentle constructive (or, not negative) criticism can come across as that, sometimes it all sucks to hear.

But to top it though, the responses to the disappointment that some people are feeling has been much more scathing than the expressed disappointment. And the fact that I'm typing in this thread, on page 7, a thread that was started to tell people to quit with airing their disappointments... is just wrong. Eventually people would've got over their frustrations, eventually people would've learned that the bitrate would've been improved, yada, yada, yada. But no, because of an insatiable need to sweep the negative comments under the carpet, we've carried out this saga in it's own thread (we should've installed neon blinking lights in the title ) and what good does that do?

And me, I've just been having a laugh at how stupid and trivial these complaints all are. And that's what you get when you knit-pick and get idiosyncratic -- immature banter from me. But in the end Matt... I wouldn't be talking about the forums being filled with whining and moaning when you yourself started a thread just for it. And if you'd let people have their own differing opinions about R&K's work and allow them to voice them without demanding they be prim and proper like Alfred The Butler in Buckingham Palace, then we wouldn't have 7 pages of whining, moaning and gnashing of teeth... all in it's own thread, the thread that you started.

So, will everyone kindly voice their opinion to the sales team at underworldlive.com and let these threads sink, and take this just as one to grow on?

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by Future Proof

And the fact that I'm typing in this thread, on page 6, a thread that was started to tell people to quit with airing their disappointments... is just wrong.

then we wouldn't have 6 pages of whining, moaning and gnashing of teeth...

How else are you going to get the message across that we would like to see a more positive outlook around here? send PMs? Anyway, I don't know about you, but I'm on page 2 here and changing the number of posts to a page to the maximum on my CP makes for less pages. I suggest you do the same!

That's my positive tip of the day in this sunshiney smiling thread

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by stimpee

That's my positive tip of the day in this sunshiney smiling thread

what was it that Oddball says in Kelly's Heroes???

"There you go again with the negative waves Moriarty. Think happy thoughts"

that kinda sums up how i feel...

[stimpee]

Oddball has always been a hero of mine.

[Future Proof]

Originally Posted by stimpee

How else are you going to get the message across that we would like to see a more positive outlook around here? send PMs? Anyway, I don't know about you, but I'm on page 2 here and changing the number of posts to a page to the maximum on my CP makes for less pages. I suggest you do the same!

That's my positive tip of the day in this sunshiney smiling thread

Erm, who's been more negative than the shut-the-fuck-up-ers?

Again, I say that just because you love Underworld doesn't leave them exempt from the norms of business, being that people go head over heels when you deliver, and complain when you don't. People don't have to be positive (and let's face it, a complaint is not a positive thing!), but this air you all exude that people are taking things to the next level when they're not is having more of a negative pull on things than people mentioning that 160kps sounds worse than 192kps.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by Future Proof

Erm, who's been more negative than the shut-the-fuck-up-ers?

Well I chimed in straight away because of a particular person whose posts will still be found in the forum posting three cursing posts in the space of 5 minutes, then continuing by starting a separate thread also moaning (which was subsequently merged into the main thread).

So yeah. That was pretty damn negative imo. I found it embarrassing, and I know I am not the only one, particularly after the guys at Lemonworld had released the download early for us.

Ref: here

There is a bit of a difference between voicing a valid complaint and whining on and on about something in a little hissy-fit of a temper and foul language.

I am sorry if I picked on just this one example, but there was also the multiple posts of people who couldn't get their credit cards to work. What is anyone on the forum able to do about it? I am reminded of stimpee's disclaimer.

I understand that people could be frustrated, and they were pointed in the right direction, i.e. email uw sales to get it sorted. But whining on and on serves no useful purpose other than to annoy people. Just because someone says something half a dozen times doesn't mean I have to agree with it. As soon as Lemonworld realised their mistake they rectified it. End of.

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by Future Proof

Again, I say that just because you love Underworld doesn't leave them exempt from the norms of business,

and that includes them making honest mistakes. its the reaction to those mistakes that are being highlighted here. its the way of complaining. im not saying people shouldnt complain. far from it. but there are good ways and bad ways.

[lowbit]

Originally Posted by Future Proof

Erm, who's been more negative than the shut-the-fuck-up-ers?

Nobody.

Yeah, people have posted concerns and complaints about the 160 kbps bit rate and other things, but it's the "shut the fuck up" faction that resorted to personal attacks and name calling, and I'm surprised that stimpee and Matt and a few others here seem to be oblivious to that fact.

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by lowbit

Nobody.

Yeah, people have posted concerns and complaints about the 160 kbps bit rate and other things, but it's the "shut the fuck up" faction that resorted to personal attacks and name calling, and I'm surprised that stimpee and Matt and a few others here seem to be oblivious to that fact.

erm - i for one, have never once mentioned anyone's name - and you can check back

i was just making a point of course

whoever has posted here 'complaining' about my thoughts has obviously got riled by a general comment i made and taken it to their own heart... and has outed themselves as a 'moaner'

and i reiterate i never said 'shut the fuck up' - everyone is entilted to make comment ...i just was trying to make the point that there are ways to go about voicing concerns, in what is an era of general good vibes from Underworld, they seem to be getting bad vibes back

rather than saying thanks some people feel the need to be nasty

and sadly the nasty comments seem to shine through above the many thanks that they actually did get....

its a shame you feel like this after all this

[Future Proof]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

I am sorry if I picked on just this one example, but there was also the multiple posts of people who couldn't get their credit cards to work. What is anyone on the forum able to do about it? I am reminded of stimpee's disclaimer.

Well, no one's able to do anything about it. I don't think though that this was the point, the point was for these people to talk about it, see if anyone else had problems, et cetera...

And those people should be left off to the side to talk amongst themselves. Going in and waving your finger doesn't help, it only fans flames. Go to anyone else's forums, go to software forums, car manufacturer forums, whatever... people go to them go talk about their problems as much as to talk about how cool that product is.

Well whatever, I can't be bothered with another post in this thread. Anyone wants to talk further on it they can PM me.