Justice

[GreenPea]

I have to admit, I discover most music these days through internet blogs/forums.

[dubman]

Originally Posted by joethelion

...SIGNIFICANTLY better than Simian Mobile Disco's 'album' which clocks in at roughly 30min

i think i'm starting to come around to it actually...

[BrotherLovesDub]

greenpea: i agree w/r/t LCD + Out Hud being the bright lights in the dance-punk thing.


adam: you're exactly right. i am a music snob. i love music. eat, breath, sleep etc. as many others on this message board can identify. i do not belong to any group or scene. i don't identify with any subculture; not the techno heads, not indie kids, not soul boys or dnb/dubstep junkies. my problem with "indie kids" is the superficial package that the whole scene is wrapped up in. the outfits are the same, the haircuts are the same, the musical tastes are nearly identical. in my opinion, Justice, Simian, Sebastian, Digitalism etc. are decent bands. there isn't a whole lot of difference in them and they really haven't earned the type of hype they've been getting. i believe there is a direct correlation to rowdy, drunk + coked up males 18-25 who like to jump around in clubs/bars to this with their friends because it's simple, loud and superficial. just like them! just kidding. i believe all of these bands are getting more exposure and credit than they deserve and i believe it's the herd mentality of "scenes" like the indie kids here in seattle (and similar groups in other cites) who enjoy hearing this in a bar or club when they're getting crazy with their buds. i don't believe the issue is that indie kids are snobbish and i'm not sure i ever said they were snobs. just conforming, comically dressed idiots. i'm snobbish because i've spent the past 20+ years obsessed with music and spending loads of time, energy and money feeding that obsession. when others blindly follow or are lazy with their musical interests i get defensive and slightly offended. i am sad. i've accepted that. however, it's fucked up when music that doesn't deserve the hype and will not last beyond a year or two more takes away the spotlight from more deserving artists.

strangelet: yes, The Field LP is great.

duckie: i kind of agree with you in post 28. it is possible to like things just because. however, the herd mentality that exists amongst the very real population of quintessential hipsters in seattle is offensive. am i better than them? no. but i don't pretend to be. they have a definite air of "i'm cooler than you", however. so yeah, i agree with what's behind your statement but i don't think it applies to my contempt for this subculture in seattle.

[kid cue]

i don't see why there is a need to feel threatened by "conformists" blindly following trends. they aren't going to undo your 20+ years of work. look, i spend all my time on a pretentious university campus / brooklyn / lower east side, nyc so i know what you mean. but every music scene has this preoccupation with who's in & who's out. it's just that the indie kids are the most populous & visible.

even if you somehow exist outside of any & all scenes, what does it mean to be deciding what music is and is not worthy of attention, and then to use your conclusions to explain why people like what they like? the omnivorous music snob is basically a one-man scene. you're not doing anything different from scenesters trying to be cool just by calling out everybody for trying to be cool.

the only obvious reason anyone likes anything popular is because of marketing and press, and bands get marketed for happening to have certain qualities. you don't have to be a lazy blind follower to be subject to marketing. Justice hired a guy at Sonar to go everywhere holding a giant styrofoam cross. didn't you start a thread on the creative marketing behind Bjork's new album? i could bitch everyone out for blindly following Bjork's hype machine around and drawing attention away from singers that better deserve the hype. it's not going to change the fact that more people have heard of her, and thus will listen to her instead of someone else.

total apathy towards scenesters is the way to go, it's the closest one can get to being free of scene.

[BrotherLovesDub]

Originally Posted by kid cue

total apathy towards scenesters is the way to go, it's the closest one can get to being free of scene.

this is your best recommendation yet. thank you.

[joethelion]

wait...

we're all indie kids

it's just that we hate "scenesters" who only like certain stuff b/c it's 'new' or is on a certain 'hot' label... like how Kompakt got cool for a while, or Outpost, or Ed Banger, or Ninja Tune... Mo Wax...

I mean - where people would buy shit just b/c it was released by a certain 'cool' label despite the actual quality of the product

...which is probably why everyone stopped caring about Outpost

...and people who I see at the local "iPod Nite" who basically just play whatever Pitchfork tells them is cool

[joethelion]

Originally Posted by dubman

i think i'm starting to come around to it actually...

sorry for the double - post but...

with the SMD album, when I first got it - I was SUPER psyched.

then I was like "hey... 4 out of 10 tracks have been out... for a while"

which followed with "eh, so what - it's really only 3 old songs, I mean... 'It's the Beat' is basically the lead-off single, so that shouldn't count as an 'old' song"

then: "wait a sec... 'Hustler' is supposed to be like - twice as long... and 'I Believe' has even been edited" [edit] and btw - even "Tits & Acid" was shortened by like 10seconds... for ...no... ...apparent... ...reason...

which is when I noticed how short - overall - the album was only like 30-35 minutes long, and they actually released a second 'limited edition' version with a bonus disc

I'm just glad I didn't waste more money to purchase the limited edition x2cd version... as two of the 6 bonus tracks have already been released under different names... and the bonus disc is still longer than the proper album

so it's one of those situations where, when you stop and think about it... it's kind of a rip-off. I just CAN'T enjoy the album as much knowing that:

A) a significant portion of the tracks are old
B) the "album" is just barely longer than a cd single
C) despite the ample space on the disc... they still managed to not include some songs that have been recorded - which should've been included, at least to pad out the album (like: "The Count" "Clik" "Pulse" "Sick" hell - even the "bonus tracks" should've been on the album)

I just basically find it almost insulting when a band makes an album so short... the only time when it's more acceptable, is in the case where the album was released before the invention the the compact disc, or if it's like a punk band who's songs last ~2min

and I mean ... COME ON

it's the beat 3:22 -> off the album
Its The Beat (Radio edit) 3:25
Its The Beat (Album Version) 6:31
Its The Beat (Dub mix) 6:32
It's The Beat (Dub for Annie Mac) 6:36 -> same as "Dub Mix"

then there's the "It's the Eat" version which is only on the 7"
(haven't had a chance to rip the vinyl yet...)

[edit]
...I will say..
at least they're not still milking "Never Be Alone"
or - to all you scenesters -> "We Are Your Friends" :P

[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

I've never been one to pay much attention to the "crowd" at a show, gig, wherever.

I'm there to watch the show.

The meat markets are a bit of different ideology I guess. Rule of thumb has always been to avoid establishing any meaningful relationships from the club world though.

[adam]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

i don't identify with any subculture...because i've spent the past 20+ years obsessed with music...when others blindly follow or are lazy

I seriously would find how many times you've referenced, "how many years bleah bleah bleah" on these boards if I weren't so lazy, and gather them into one thread, because I think it would be funny to see all together.

I think you're just bitter that the indie kids don't look to grampa bld for guidance.

Just taking the piss.

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

No album should be under 30 minutes? No, there are a lot I can think of that certainly SHOULDN'T be longer than 30 minutes. To bring up an example from this thread Human After All shouldn't have been longer than that. I just don't think you should have to pay $15+ for only that much music (unless it's really great).

The Justice album is pretty good, I would love to hear these tracks in a club. I don't quite understand the whole "album of the decade" mentality. It's fun and has a few pretty solid tracks but it's not quite Discovery, you know? Which is an album I have some problems with besides.

This thread does bring up a good point...is it ever okay to hate the music because of the fans? To be honest, there are a few bands that I won't listen to because of the fans (TOOL), and a few I don't really like admitting to (Nine Inch Nails) because the fans are really obnoxious. It was kind of a hard realization...a few years ago I got into King Crimson, Yes, and Genesis hardcore, basically hoping that someday I'd meet someone who likes those bands and it was pretty disappointing...have you ever actually MET someone who's big into Genesis? I think caring about what the fans are like really destroys the point of the music. So what if a guy who bugs you is their biggest fan?