New Order Drama

[kowalski__]

That Electronic record was the last time any member of the band, or the band collectively, felt like the original exploratory spirit of the group was alive. There would no longer be anything like "The Perfect Kiss" or "Fine Time" and instead it was all mostly middle of the road pop with a fair bit of self referentiality. I remember reading an NME article previewing the second Electronic record and it Bernard Sumner mentioned that he'd gone sober but had started experimenting with Prozac so that probably partially explains why that record was such a flatline.[/quote]


in that first period, they released amazing 12 inches, great b sides.

but, come on, after that we've got "out of control", "twisted tenderness", "get ready sessions" etc.

lets see what bernard will do next.

[Chris M]

Originally Posted by Scott Warner

Peter Hook here is proving:

• Why PR is important
• Why PR was especially important with this band given their enigmatic and artful legacy
• Just how important the deceased Rob Gretton was in shaping this band

this pattern really is remiscient of the same internal disintegration of the smiths. to some degree hooky would be playing the role of morrissey.

[BrotherLovesDub]

kowalski is exactly 100% on point when he says he wishes Rob Gretton were alive. Rob Gretton was the true soul and vision keeping New Order together. they haven't been the same since.

i personally place Waiting For The Sirens Call LP in my top3 New Order albums. happy for them to end on a high note and also happy they can't continue to erode their legacy.

[BrotherLovesDub]

from 'Rolling Stones' Magazine...

8/2/07, 4:11 pm EST

Bernard Sumner Says New Order ‘Mate Peter Hook “Needs to Chill Out”

Last week New Order bassist Peter Hook shocked fans by lashing out at his bandmates on his blog and announcing the group had broken up (in something resembling Courtney Love speak): “You are no more new order than i am! You may have two thirds but dont assume you have the rights to do anything NEW ordery cos you dont ive still got a third!”

New Order guitarist Bernard Sumner — who hasn’t seen Hook since the group toured South America last November — was as surprised as anyone who read the post. “I find it very distasteful for him to do that after all this time,” he says, checking in by telephone from England. “He should have had a meeting with us. I’m not having someone tell me that we’ve split up without consulting me first. I think that’s very arrogant.”

Sumner is unsure whether he and drummer Stephen Morris will continue on as New Order without Hook. “We haven’t got any plans to make any music under the guise as New Order,” Sumner says. “I’ve working on two other projects at the moment so I’m kind of busy for the next couple of years anyway.”

And Hook, he says, needs to take five: “I think that Hooky just needs to chill out a little bit and relax.” Sumner says he has no plans to reach out to his blogging bandmate to clear everything up. “He’s the guy who with the problem, so he should approach us,” he says. “We haven’t got a problem. I just don’t think he likes me, so what can you do?”

[joethelion]

geez

that is kind of arrogant for Hooky to declare that NO have split up...

I mean - in all honesty, he is just the bass guitarist, know what I mean?
but yea... if even Stephen won't play w/o hooky, the name New Order shouldn't be used anymore

[BrotherLovesDub]

back in February, it was widely speculated that Bernard put New Order on hold indefinitely, refusing to do more live gigs and not committing to finishing the tracks they had left over from WFTSC. nobody knows the truth, even Bernard and Hooky have diff. ideas of what the "truth" is but if I had to wager, i'd put money on Bernard sparking Hooky's ire and prompting him to make these comments. Hooky, however, shouldn't have gone off in public about the matter.

either way, i'm thrilled to have their music to listen to. nothing will ever eclipse the joy i get from New Order's music.

[BrotherLovesDub]

i agree with you again Kowalski, despite the 2nd Electronic LP being mostly shit, there were some amazing singles and b-sides from that era and Twisted Tenderness is a phenomenal LP. New Order have done more great tracks post 93 than i expected them to. Here To Stay & Primitive Notion alone justify the last 14/15 years of New Order activity/inactivity.

[kowalski__]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

i agree with you again Kowalski, despite the 2nd Electronic LP being mostly shit, there were some amazing singles and b-sides from that era and Twisted Tenderness is a phenomenal LP. New Order have done more great tracks post 93 than i expected them to. Here To Stay & Primitive Notion alone justify the last 14/15 years of New Order activity/inactivity.

do you know "the peter saville soundtrack" ? 30 minute beautiful piece of music.

[Scott Warner]

but, come on, after that we've got "out of control", "twisted tenderness", "get ready sessions" etc.

I don't like any of that stuff. IMO, I think with very little exception everything post the first Electronic rekkid from any member of the band is either not good or treading water. I'm a huge fan of everything they did from 1977-1990 but after that it goes spotty.

[BrotherLovesDub]

yes i do. had a friend pick up a copy for me in MCR.