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[jOHN rODRIGUEZ]

Strangelet: "90% of all men". Seriously?

chuck: You want people to bitch to you? I don't think there's even a definition for that yet.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by Strangelet

I'm not going to be bullied by your vitriol or your comically misguided sense of offense. I'm going to calmly reiterate my point.

(...)

And so before you respond with another inventive literary device involving felatio, bear in mind its already going to be a while before I can begin to take anything you say seriously.

I'm very much afraid that I have kind of got to that point as well. Gambit's post in this thread was pretty extreme, but in essence he had a point.

There is a difference between a debate and a harangue; argument and vitriol; making one's point and having a shrill hissy-fit with whomsoever dares defy one's accepted "vision".

I dunno. Maybe it is just an American cultural thing, but I certainly don't have people in my entourage who feel that is the proper way to conduct a debate, particularly on so important a subject as pro-choice.

What I see coming out of this is not misogyny from the male posters but merely an expression of their view that anti-choice policies (I can't call them pro-life when they come from a president who thinks it's fine to execute people) do not automatically equate to a hatred of women.

The characterisation that Cacophony seems to be making thereafter is that because some people don't agree with what she is saying, it has to be because they don't understand and/or they must be misogynists too, which is the way in which people with entrenched and unshakeable positions (dare I say extremists?) always try and justify their stance. "I'm right, you're wrong, and if you insist on asking me to explain why I am right, or trying to explain why you are not wrong, it means you are too thick to see it, probably because you are one of 'them' as well" is one of the most immature, illogical and intellectually insulting arguments to be used. It is up there with GWB's infamous "You're either with us or against us". It brings intelligent debate into disrepute, frankly.

I am waiting for the post telling us we are all brainwashed by the patriarchal hegemony any time soon.

(And, to reiterate, I am pro-choice and support a large part of what Cacophony says on the subject.)

[chuck]

Originally Posted by jOHN rODRIGUEZ

chuck: You want people to bitch to you? I don't think there's even a definition for that yet.

Heh - not to bitch at. And being a mod here is usually just about tidying up old threads - I don't have that much power.

Just saying - having stated my mod status - the PM box is there to use if necessary. Not that I'm on here as much as the other inmates - so responses might not be instant.

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by Strangelet

And so before you respond with another inventive literary device involving felatio, bear in mind its already going to be a while before I can begin to take anything you say seriously.

this does not concern me. if i were interested in you taking my responses seriously, i would respond to your posts seriously.

in case you haven't figured it out yet, i'm done debating the misogyny topic. i haven't contributed one constructive word to the debate since my last longwinded post in the original thread. you're not bothering to read anything i've said as evidenced by your sudden trip down religion lane. it's as though you and sean have already convinced yourselves of what my argument is so you're asking me to refute everything and anything that pops into your head.

sorry, not going to play that game. you both seem to have some pent up issues about why feminists are ruining planet earth and i'm not going to be your one grandstand battle for either of you to prove that it's all imaginary foofaraw.

you don't have to agree with me. i've never asked anyone to agree with me. does anyone remember the uproar when i announced that every member of the police force is a pig with serious socialization problems? lollerskates what a fun mess that was. guess what? i still believe it. and nope, i'm not interested in your opinion on that either.

the one single, most awesomely stupid point that my mind keeps returning to is how you and sean so blindly missed the play on "george bush hates black people" hilarity that was all the pop culture rage after katrina. instead of simply discussing what the post was about, what it linked to, you both fixated on this "GASP! CAN SHE REALLY SAY THAT?!?!?!" outrage.

so whatever, dude. keep yapping about religion and how men who have daughters automatically qualify for daughter of the year.

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

The characterisation that Cacophony seems to be making thereafter is that because some people don't agree with what she is saying, it has to be because they don't understand and/or they must be misogynists too

oh jesus christ. not even close.

there are no eyes rolly enough for this.


everyone seems to have completely lost their sense of humor. it shouldn't have taken smiley faces for anyone to grasp that the cock in the mouth reply was total jest. if we're going to take stuff like that as SRS BZNS then what's the point of anything we do here anymore?

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by cacophony

oh jesus christ. not even close.

there are no eyes rolly enough for this.


everyone seems to have completely lost their sense of humor. it shouldn't have taken smiley faces for anyone to grasp that the cock in the mouth reply was total jest. if we're going to take stuff like that as SRS BZNS then what's the point of anything we do here anymore?

Well I am afraid you only have yourself to blame for people not seeing the "funny side" of your posts when so many of them are so full of invective. I thought that particular "joke" was goading brinksmanship of the first water.

I shan't be responding to you any more until you stop whining about other people and what is wrong with them instead of entering into sensible, mature debate.

We aren't at High School any more. This isn't a game of who can write the funniest insults - or if it is, it needs to be moved to the Noise forum.

[stimpee]

moderator-n00bs. Don't mess with people's posts. I learned that lesson years back here, for all to see. To all: calm the fuck down, its not the end of the world. To mods: pwned!

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by stimpee

moderator-n00bs. Don't mess with people's posts. I learned that lesson years back here, for all to see. To all: calm the fuck down, its not the end of the world. To mods: pwned!

I LOL'd so hard I just spat out my tea!

And don't think you can come in here getting this thread back on topic either! Tsk!

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by cacophony

you both seem to have some pent up issues

Your habitual tendency to dismiss other people's opinions across more than one thread by ending posts with a sarcastic variation along the lines of "well, what do I know, guys, I'm just a chick" makes me wonder who's really the one with the pent up issues here.

That was even before the comment about a cock in every woman's mouth. ROFL! And it's others who have the issues? Gimme a break.

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by cacophony

i haven't seen histrionics like this since the last season of project runway.


ah well, it's the natural order of things for long-time forums to have occasional breakdowns and conflicts. like a forest fire clearing the way for new growth.

this has gone so far beyond stupidity that all i can do is quote myself, of all uncreative moves. i'll be damned if nearly a decade of fun and sometimes heated debate where my propensity towards hyperbolic comments has been accepted as part of the environment is going to be decried as something more appropriate for the "noise" forum. this ain't new, folks. same as it ever was, same as it ever was. i don't believe in the necessity of justifying oneself on a personal level in an internet community. it's all about community standards. a year or so ago "all cops are psychotic" was okay, this year "GWB hates women" is not. hey, it's how i post. if that's not working for the group as a whole anymore, then it's not working. i'm not going to argue that it should work.

anyway. it's become exhausting.

thanks to everyone, especially all of the people who have disagreed with me over the years. the ability to disagree and maintain an overall balance on this forum is what has made it so historically great. so in all sincerity, i had a good time. but i think i'm done.