Underworld wiki

[TheBang]

"Push Upstairs" was first, "Jumbo" was second, and "King of Snake" was third.

http://www.discogs.com/release/93392
http://www.discogs.com/release/10628
http://www.discogs.com/release/10625

[negative1]

Originally Posted by TheBang

"Push Upstairs" was first, "Jumbo" was second, and "King of Snake" was third.

http://www.discogs.com/release/93392
http://www.discogs.com/release/10628
http://www.discogs.com/release/10625

i use discogs too,
but they're wrong...

the first 2 promos of 'king of snake' came out way
before 'push upstairs' did..

both matt's site, and lazlo's have the 12"s listed
before the album came out, and then push upstairs..
http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs?freur
Underworld: King Of Snake
[1999] single

12": 1999 UK (JBO; JBO 5005826 P) [promo x300; blue sticker]
8:55 King Of Snake (original version)
6:54 King Of Snake (dave angel rework)

12": 1999 UK (JBO; JBO 5005826 P) [promo x300; brown sticker]
6:01 King Of Snake (dave clark remix)
7:30 Kittens (s.m.f.u. - original mix)

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Underworld: Beaucoup Fish
[1999] album

CD: 1999 US (JBO/V2; 63881-27042-2)
11:45 Cups
4:34 Push Upstairs
6:57 Jumbo
9:31 Shudder/King Of Snake
4:29 Winjer
4:08 Skym
4:42 Bruce Lee
7:31 Kittens
6:03 Push Downstairs
6:37 Something Like A Mama
7:38 Moaner

CSS: 1999 UK (JBO/V2; ??) [promo sampler]
Cups
Bruce Lee
Kittens

CSS: 1999 UK (JBO/V2; ??) [promo sampler; tracks unconfirmed]
Cups
Jumbo
King Of Snake/Winjer
Skym
Bruce Lee
S.M.F.U.
Push Downstairs

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Underworld: Push Upstairs
[1999] single

etc...

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also, i remember buying the 12"s, and getting the
dave clarke mix on a sampler cd early too..

i can post the early discography information
from the early rtsr/dreamagoria sites also..

later
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[negative1]

also 'kittens's was one of the first digital releases,
and should have a page for its release also...

later
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[TheBang]

Yeah, the promos came out first, but the proper single release was in that order, so that's how it should go, IMO.

As for Kittens, there are certain guidelines for articles on Wikipedia. One of those is notability:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Notability

It will not pass that criteria. That's the same reason the Confusion article was deleted.

I've become increasingly frustrated over the last year by the constraints of Wikipedia. It is simply not an appropriate venue for all the Underworld trivia that we want to put down.

[negative1]

Originally Posted by TheBang

Yeah, the promos came out first, but the proper single release was in that order, so that's how it should go, IMO.

As for Kittens, there are certain guidelines for articles on Wikipedia. One of those is notability:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Notability

It will not pass that criteria. That's the same reason the Confusion article was deleted.

I've become increasingly frustrated over the last year by the constraints of Wikipedia. It is simply not an appropriate venue for all the Underworld trivia that we want to put down.

kittens was a digital release (a free one), but wouldn't that
count, just like itunes releases? its also notable as being the
first one for the group, preceding 'riverun' etc..


yeah, i know, we need another page for the non-standard releases,
why are some promos ok (juanita), and others aren't? (dirty, rowla, etc)..

later
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[Dirty0900]

Kittens was a free download and done way before the whole Napster issue blew up.

[TheBang]

It's not me you have to convince, -1. I'm just telling you what will happen if you make the article, because of the guideline-nazi editors. Here are some more details on Notability:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MUST...clopedic_worth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...nd_Songs#Songs

In particular, this is what Confusion ran afoul of, and why it was deleted. I'm not saying it'll happen right away, but out of the blue one day, someone who's a stickler for those guidelines will happen across the article and nominate it for deletion, and there won't be any way to stop it, just like the Confusion article.

[Dirty0900]

What about an entry for known songs that have yet to be released. E.g. Bamboo, You Do Scribble. Could be a nice touch to list their first appearances to see how long they've been experimented with to.

[negative1]

added 'beautiful burnout' to the singles on the wiki.

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[the real stuff]

Yeah, wasn't there talk of creating our very own dirty.org wiki (well, darktrain.org, I guess)? I'd fully support this, as we could do whatever we want and be as detailed as we like.

The problem with our presence on Wikipedia is that it is strictly encyclopedic, which limits us to things deemed 'notable', like TheBang said (and all sorts of other silly guidelines/restrictions).

Clearly what we need is something more than that: a comprehensive resource to all things Underworld.