sherburne on underworld

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Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Come, now. Are you sure you were shocked, having posted a vaguely negative article about UW on .... wait for it ... an Underworld Forum? I think, rather, you posted, then sat back and ate popcorn as you flushed out the fanboy/fangirls with their "manifold defence mechanisms" as usual duckie?

Ah well. Hope you have fun. Blood sports are traditional on Boxing Day after all.

christ you're unappealing

as i said, i thought it was "an interesting take, sure to inspire ire"

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Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

philip sherburne is past his expiration date. star-struck, coked up cock sucking pansy ass bitch. that's the first thing that comes to mind when i see his name. i refuse to read his "articles" anymore since they all turn into "villalobos let me hear some unreleased stuff and you can't hear it" bullshit pieces.

if i wanted to hear from a moron with an inflated ego, i'd record my own thoughts. no need for philip sherburne's cocktastic moronic insights.

hopefully the ego monster that is Philip Sherburne will do the obnoxious ego-monster thing and google himself this weekend and find this post. Hey Philip, I hope you choke on a giant mound of coke teetering off Ricardo's shrivelled dick.

i don't care about Villalobos either, but HOW OLD ARE YOU?

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by kid cue

christ you're unappealing

as i said, i thought it was "an interesting take, sure to inspire ire"

And christ, you are incapable of conducting a sensible, intelligent discussion without making personal comments.

If you had something sensible to say about the article and the music other than "I had a dream they released a 2 CD version of AHDO" then it would be worthy of discussion.

You are trolling, Duckie. You are enjoying every minute of it. It is in your nature. I don't give a flying f*ck whether you think I am "appealing" or not, but if you are going to spout BS and make personal comments about forum members again instead of adding something sensible to a topic, you can expect to get called on it.

Now I am sure there must be a spider in the corner that you could pull the legs off instead, if you are that bored.

Alternatively, you could add to this topic by some serious musical opinion, at which point I will engage with you on a sensible level.

Ta.

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anyway, i think his view is definitely colored by his own fixation on minimal, and that genre's concepts of 'balance' and 'restraint', esp. given how he compares his favorite tracks on AHDO to Villalobos and Luciano.

(does Villalobos count as minimal?)

it's also ironic that he doesn't think to read any of UW's albums as albums, since he's (said that he's) a bedroom listener at heart. i do kind of agree with him on STITI, though--it always felt a bit too big, like every track was trying to reach a bit too far. and the drum & bass track (i forget the title) always felt a little too timely & obvious. i think i never thought of STITI in these terms because the uniform production (smooth, hazy, like in 'soft-focus') made me want the whole thing to make sense.

but better that than (as dubman says) AHDO-esque complacency..

ps. i wrote this before reading Beautiful Burnout's motherly scolding

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hey, what happened to BLD's last post?

i was going to say that: you're right, but i don't know of any other bloggers/writers who actually care about techno. most of the ones i know are all about 'urban' music etc.

[BeautifulBurnout]

HAH!!!

So if you wrote that before my motherly scolding... how come you knew I had given you a motherly scolding? Ain't seein' no "last edited by..." on your post!

Nuff scolding now, anyway.


Aside from that, I think there is a time-warp in that he tries to compare STITI with a genre that is really much more recent (and, yeah, Villalobos is minimal in my book). It is a bit like comparing apples and oranges imo. STITI pushed the boundaries at the time, exploring different musical areas, not just "dance" or "prog" or "ambient" but, for example, with tracks like Juanita/Kiteless/TDOL, were developping a more whole, rounded piece that incorporated
all of those things in a single piece.

I am really not suprised that Juanita comes up as the fan's favourite in polls because it represents the essence of the whole UW sound. Something that is difficult to categorise.

As for Sherburne being a "bedroom listener" that would tend to indicate to me that he would listen to albums as a whole, wouldn't it?

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Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

You are trolling, Duckie. You are enjoying every minute of it. It is in your nature.

the fact is this: i thought the article was interesting, and immediately thought to post it on dirty. the first association i make with dirty is Underworld, whether that's right or not. i also knew that i was NOT looking forward to continue posting in a thread on dirty about this article, if i chose to actually do so. there's a reason i never post in this particular forum. there are other forums i go to for "serious music discussion", when i need it, but no one on any of them gives a toss about Underworld (except for ... two people).

the fact is, i am not enjoying this at all, but i also couldn't stop myself from getting annoyed. i know--in which i shouldn't have posted a link to (what i thought was) an interesting article in the first place. but the anti-intellectual attitude expressed in KOS's post is literally one of my top 5 pet peeves, next to racism and dead bugs.

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Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

Duckie, the thing is, i'm glad you're stirring up shit. this forum has been dead and boring for too long now. I enjoy having someone like you around regardless of whether our opinions clash. My issue here is with Philip, not you. Well, maybe your star-struck view of Philip. I'm not so enamoured as you can tell. Anyway, my last post was a bit too directed towards you and that's not where my annoyance lies w/r/t this thread.

i thought that bit about being a real techno DJ (!!) and opening for Mayer probably came across as too star-struck. i don't even think i agree with him a lot (for one, he's completely up his arse about dubstep), but i still think he writes intelligently about techno. and i like having HIM around, since it'd be really easy to ignore (from a critical perspective). anyway, i appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

HAH!!!

So if you wrote that before my motherly scolding... how come you knew I had given you a motherly scolding? Ain't seein' no "last edited by..." on your post!

because "last edited by..." doesn't show up if you edit your post quickly enough

[viddy]

I'm going to have to admit that I agree with the article's view of STITI when I first heard the album. As a teenager, all I wanted from the album was more of the "cool" sound of Pearl's Girl. I really hated STITI.

But it grew on me. I listened to the album more and more, and now it has become one of my favorite albums of all time. It simply is one of those albums that isn't "heard" and understood right off the bat. It grew on me and I started hearing more out of the album's tracks that I did at first. It reminds me of jazz, because at first listen (at least to me) the average person doesn't really "feel" and understand jazz (I was the same way). The more I listen to it, the more I "feel" it and understand it's complexities. STITI is in my opinion a very "deep" album. My biggest example being Sappy's Curry (and Banstyle too).

and I'll stop using "quotes" now