will everyone just stop...

[patrick]

i don't see why people with valid concerns/arguements get flamed. if everyone took everything that they were given without questioning it, the world would be a far worse place...

it is a little disapointing that it got shifted down from 192 to 160 instead of up from 192 to 256.

[lloyd]

Originally Posted by patrick

i don't see why people with valid concerns/arguements get flamed. if everyone took everything that they were given without questioning it, the world would be a far worse place...

Good to know that 320kbps mp3s stop the Iraq war.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by patrick

i don't see why people with valid concerns/arguements get flamed. if everyone took everything that they were given without questioning it, the world would be a far worse place...

As I said in the main thread. It is not about people having valid concerns and arguments. I took on board his argument, although I don't happen to agree with it. The reason why I flamed Mongoose (if indeed I did) is because he kept on and on and on about it. 8 posts out of his last 10 have been a whine about either this download or the previews for it. Enough moaning already. We get the point.

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by patrick

i don't see why people with valid concerns/arguements get flamed. if everyone took everything that they were given without questioning it, the world would be a far worse place...

it is a little disapointing that it got shifted down from 192 to 160 instead of up from 192 to 256.

there is a difference between 'slightly disappointing' and what has been said by some people about this, though...

and its not just this... people have been moaning since last year about various elements of the UW output and its, like i said, pretty embarassing

there are ways to voice concerns and 'disappointments' but to 'flame' the band is just as bad, imo.

seriously though the bitrate thing - its not that big a deal is it really?

[lowbit]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

there is a difference between 'slightly disappointing' and what has been said by some people about this, though...

seriously though the bitrate thing - its not that big a deal is it really?

Yes, it is a big deal, at least to those of us who really care about sound quality. Not everyone listens carefully to notice the different between a CD and a 160 kbps MP3, and some people who do listen carefully won't notice the discrepancy because the equipment they're listening with muddles things enough to obscure the difference, but it doesn't take that sophisticated of stereo equipment for the degradation introduced by lower-bit-rate MP3 to become apparent.

What's really frustrating about this for some of us is that we were already disappointed with the first two RR releases to have them offered only in 192 kbps MP3 form, so to now have the new one released as a 160 kbps MP3 is kind of a slap-in-the-face. Obviously Karl and Rick care a great deal about sound quality, or they wouldn't make the music that they do; if it's really a matter of bandwidth then charge us an extra pound to cover the cost!


My biggest worry at this point is that I will have paid five pounds for each of these tracks and then have to pay another fifteen pounds to get them in decent (to me) sound quality when they're released on CD or FLAC a year from now, and then I'll be pissed off about feeling slightly scammed by an artist I really want to support wholeheartedly. At this point it's looking like either that will happen or possibly RR will never be available in a high-quality format (which would obviously suck). If it was coming from 99.9% of the artists out there, it would be par for the course, but I just expect better from Underworld, I think. Their music is great, but they've also historically shown an integrity and foresight that is all-too-rare in the music world.

[Professor]

hmm. i think that some people here get it, and some don't. some are younger...some are older. some know the difference between complaining, and noting a possible error....and how to do either properly. some people still listen to the chemical brothers....some don't. some people here have something to say, and others, like myself, have nothing to say.

click.

[Future Proof]

Originally Posted by lowbit

If it was coming from 99.9% of the artists out there, it would be par for the course, but I just expect better from Underworld, I think. Their music is great, but they've also historically shown an integrity and foresight that is all-too-rare in the music world.

99.9% of the artists out there don't even attempt anything close to what R&K have been attempting. Every now and then you get a track on Myspace or a lo-quality streaming preview, but you never see anyone out there releasing 90 minutes of experimental, envelope-pushing stuff inbetween albums, nor do you ever see a band deviate as far from a comfort zone with reference to style and sound that R&K have with these 3 releases.

So, I don't understand where you're getting your precedents from, I guess I'm saying.

P.S. - I wouldn't be at all shocked if R&K knew less about mastering than you assume they do. A harddrive full of RTAS plugs and a rack of gear doesn't make a good engineer, and being wicked at putting together beats and crafting that sick sound out of a Nord Lead doesn't make you a good engineer either...

[the mongoose]

Guess we have no choice but not complain........try to start a valid thread about this one particular topic......take the time to convey your thoughts without just typing "GGGGRRRR FUCK FUCK FUCK" (which is what you REALLY want to do)........and watch (IMO) the valid thread disappear.

No free speech or opinions or complaints.....just give us your credit cards and take it up the pooper.

Guess this post will disappear too right?

[lloyd]

your post was merged, not deleted.
so don't go totally noob into the eyes of people do read all and don't make people that don't think that there is no free speech.

[the mongoose]

Originally Posted by lloyd

your post was merged, not deleted.
so don't go totally noob into the eyes of people do read all and don't make people that don't think that there is no free speech.

Really, didn't know.....then sorry for repeating myself. I felt that my concerns were being squashed and I got a little ticked. On a side note, the audio is relaxing (which you need after the frustration of trying to convert 48Mhz with limited time!)

Uggh. Okay I'll "stop" now.