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[*_*]

well, STITI is OOP... so that's fair game, too, i guess.


eh, whatever...

[King of Snake]

Originally Posted by *_*

well, STITI is OOP...

since when?

[IsiliRunite]

Something can't hurt sales if it's not being sold.

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by joethelion

no one complained when I posted those Simply Red mixes...

or when "Water from a Vine Leaf (Underworld mix 1)" was posted either...

those are two examples of rare stuff that you can only buy second hand, and are long out of print, and are rare

Originally Posted by IsiliRunite

Something can't hurt sales if it's not being sold.

well, despite being mixes that are unavailable on CD or only on promo and not releases by Underworld, but remixes by Underworld, the rules were still being bent. This is an official Underworld single released on CD and despite being out of print, still shows up on ebay and other online stores and auction sites (which is besides the point anyway). This is an official Underworld site but some of you don't think its disrespectful to be providing links to this stuff, ON THIS site? If you really want this stuff you will find it, somehow. But telling people specifically where they can find it or providing URLs for direct download is not acceptable.

As for being out of print being the benchmark for suddenly providing mp3 links to files, how much of the Underworld back catalogue do you think is still available to order from the record companies? If they aren't pressing new copies of Dinosaur Adventure 3D anymore (and I wonder if they are), would it be ok to give everyone all the mixes for free? Just because its still easily available doesn't mean its not out of print, is the point I'm making here.

You can discuss the subject of this all you like though. I'm not telling you how to think, or what to write. As Yannick says, "this doesn't mean all discussions should be banned from dirty."

Sorry for being the bastard moderator from hell but these rules have existed (I guess mostly through common sense) since before I was even a member, never mind a moderator.

[joethelion]

um...

underworld make nothing off of stuff sold on ebay, vinyl exchange, any promo release sold, or anything second-hand

just because I can find the Simply Red mixes (for example) on ebay... doesn't mean that they're not rare -> and anyways - I've never seen either the SR mixes, or that William Orbit mix EVER in any format or on any website for sale

[mkb]

Originally Posted by joethelion

underworld make nothing off of stuff sold on ebay, vinyl exchange, any promo release sold, or anything second-hand

just because I can find the Simply Red mixes (for example) on ebay... doesn't mean that they're not rare -> and anyways - I've never seen either the SR mixes, or that William Orbit mix EVER in any format or on any website for sale

the point is that many people get an extremely bad taste in their mouths when you mention giving their music away for free.

just the other day i read a story from a dude who had just sold a CD to a punter at a show. the punter's friend said "i want a CD but i don't have any cash" to which the punter replied "oh, you can just copy mine". the dude had trouble resisting throwing punches.

[joethelion]

you see... I don't see why anyone would get mad at the guy who said 'you can copy mine'... as the dude who sold the cd, is just as bad - if not worse than the person copying the disc for his friend. I say this b/c he's not only 'sharing' the disc, he's also making money off the band... and his actions meant that the punter will never have to 'properly' buy the CD at a shop, in which the band would earn money

...the only situation in which the dude could be pissed if:
• he's a member of the band, and is selling the cd's to make extra money off the gig
• he's associated with the band, like manager / street team / et al. So, the number of discs he sells actively effects his work

Originally Posted by mkb

the point is that many people get an extremely bad taste in their mouths when you mention giving their music away for free.

just the other day i read a story from a dude who had just sold a CD to a punter at a show. the punter's friend said "i want a CD but i don't have any cash" to which the punter replied "oh, you can just copy mine". the dude had trouble resisting throwing punches.

(edit)
but I just want to make this clear - there's no excuse to download commmon albums, or singles without the intention of later buying said release - especially if the release is available in the shops, online, and not deleted/out of print

It just infuriates me how people will get pissed and say that you can 'easily' get the release, and not download it... then link to ebay or some "Online Collectable Record Store" - that's worse than getting the tracks for free as a third party makes a profit... and the original band makes nothing off it

[lloyd]

just one quick remark...
When it is on sale at ebay or a collectable record store, isn't it bought then before? And didn't the band that the cd made, got money from that sale?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by *_*

what qualifies as "rare" or "hard-to-find"?... out of print?

Probably stuff that's rare and hard to find.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by joethelion

...well

no one complained when I posted those Simply Red mixes...

or when "Water from a Vine Leaf (Underworld mix 1)" was posted either...

those are two examples of rare stuff that you can only buy second hand, and are long out of print, and are rare

I missed the Simply Red remixes. They still floating around out there? And you know what else I missed the boat on? Biro the Leggy. As much as I'd love to pay someone for something that was never for sale, I was wondering if anyone might have it available for free?