Bungalow with Stairs album

[negative1]

Originally Posted by lowbit

DAMN IT. Travelling for a few days and this goes on sale and is already gone. :P

I just want to listen to (legitimate copies of) the music. Why the hell make it so hard to get??

i'm just curious, but what do you mean by hard?

did you subscribe to the thread, because then you would have
been notified by email about replies being made..(hopefully you check your email regularly)...

even if you don't check the forums everyday... you could have still
come across this thread if you were interested in it...

not everyone gets a break anytime something is announced or
released... this was a limited release for an installation in japan,
and we (the fans) were lucky they even had extras to sell..

did you see all the complaints about the price,etc, even after
people knew about it? what do you say to them?

yes, its sad they don't have a large amount of copies or other
methods (right now) to release it..

but are you really going to complain about how hard it was to
get this release? especially when plenty of people didn't have
any problems?

as for going on travel and missing out on things, it happens,
but maybe the next time something is announced you'll have
plenty of time to react and be prepared..

later
-1

[big screen satellite]

jeez, just read through the last few pages of this thread...

here's my opinion...

this album - was and is never going to be available in the 'shops' - it was created to accompany the exhibition - which also had an exclusive catalogue - also only available at the exhibit.

regular CD albums cost £10 / $15 roughly

however its not fair to compare this exclusive package to these prices - and adding postage to the cost does not make the product any more, it is what it is - you live too far away you have to pay the shipping - thats the rules anywhere...whatever you buy... i regularly purchase stuff from the states... its still cheaper if you add the shipping - sometimes ist more but if i want something that I PHYSICALLY CANNOT GET HERE i have to pay for the priviledge

being the former collector of UW items i would have snapped this up regardless of price - its a unique limited edition CD and booklet - which despite what you might think - i believe is probably essential with this purchase (much like the booklet that came with barking)

those of you waiting for the CD without the booklet are not imo getting the full experience of the 'bundle'

some people here are seeing UW as a band who make and sell music in 'hard formats' - they don't - they do much more than that... they are an interactive band who have many projects and outlets

you don't have to buy anything, i don't anymore its too much for me...

that said it doesn't mean i haven't got a 'virtual' copy of this album... i'm still a fan and still want to hear the output, but for me its not about owning a physical item - for many reasons which i've stated previously...

but back in the day £30 would have been a bargain for a super limited edition package...

its available - or was... and only fans will get this beacuse as I opened with its not available anywhere else...

unless you want to wait until is £300 on ebay...

[ThingInABook]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

unless you want to wait until is £300 on ebay...

DON'T SAY THAT D:

anyway, a catalog from an exhibition is recopilation of it. most of them hardly cover all the aspects of an art show < that being said, i hope all the lucky ones who bought the record get their hands on a wonderful catalog, specially coming from tomato.

[purlieu]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

that said it doesn't mean i haven't got a 'virtual' copy of this album... i'm still a fan and still want to hear the output

That's it, though, this kind of release actively encourages pirating if anything. I just really hate the limited edition exclusive 'for people with money coming out of their ears only' bollocks releases. Fans ARE going to download the disc and listen to it, so why not offer a digital version through the site or a stripped down CD version. Lots of people in this thread alone have said they'd buy it. There's no option, though. There's no stripped down version, there's nothing for people who are struggling, financially (and there are a lot of us about at the moment) or people who were away for a few days. I just think it's a shame, really, as they could provide a nice version of it for cheaper, a thousand more copies in a slimline jewelcase with a link to some images from the gallery online would cost them a few hundred pounds. Sell them for a fiver a pop and they've made a few thousand profit, fans have got a physical copy of a potentially excellent disc... I dunno, that option just seems to benefit everyone.

[negative1]

Originally Posted by purlieu

That's it, though, this kind of release actively encourages pirating if anything..

well, it depends on whether or not you consider this
a normal 'release'... obviously it's not a purely commercial one...
so why would it be promoted or distributed the way
any of their other normal ones were?

how many of these were?
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http://bigscreensatellite.com/otherstuff.htm

do you think the anti-rom was a release? how many
people ended up getting that? or the playstation 2 project?

how much do you think that would have gone for, and how
much of an appeal did they have?

this 'release' doesn't encourage anything anymore than
any other 'release' does... don't you think every other
thing they've put out has been copied and released
with the promos also? what makes you think this
would be any different?

if you really want to find the music you will, and if you
really want to make the effort to pay for it, (when you
can)... as a fan, you'll do that also... but they're not
encouraging anyone in any way or form to just take
their property and distribute it freely.. unless they've
expressly said so...

they've released TONS of music,
projects and videos FOR FREE via their site, and
through other means for the fans.. don't you appreciate
that aspect of their efforts?

later
-1

[froopy seal]

Originally Posted by negative1

http://bigscreensatellite.com/otherstuff.htm

do you think the anti-rom was a release? how many
people ended up getting that? or the playstation 2 project?

Now were do I get those for five quid?

Originally Posted by negative1

this 'release' doesn't encourage anything anymore than
any other 'release' does... don't you think every other
thing they've put out has been copied and released
with the promos also? what makes you think this
would be any different?

if you really want to find the music you will, and if you
really want to make the effort to pay for it, (when you
can)... as a fan, you'll do that also... but they're not
encouraging anyone in any way or form to just take
their property and distribute it freely.. unless they've
expressly said so...

they've released TONS of music,
projects and videos FOR FREE via their site, and
through other means for the fans.. don't you appreciate
that aspect of their efforts?

Maybe the generosity of the band is even counterproductive, in combination with the 'digital age of music': Fans, and other customers, are under the impression that they can buy every release from an online shop for a reasonable price. Hence, everyone gets anything he wants, immediately, and infinitely so due to the infinite reproducibility of digital media.

We've all been spoiled and the film and music industries are still figuring out how to tap that new sense of ubiquitousness...

[GoatSucker]

Any of those solutions would allow those of us interested in hearing the music (not owning some rare collectible – hearing and enjoying the music) to give them money for the privilege of doing so, to compensate them and support their art.

At the risk of reiterating what I mentioned before, this isn't a commercial release. It's not the new Underworld album. This music was released at a certain time and place and had a single objective - to accompany the exhibition. There is no intention to make money from it (other than selling left overs that already exist, and I don't believe there can be any profit made there). Perhaps R&K are doing fine without your money for this? If you want to give them some money, buy one of their commercial releases. Every minute spent sorting out represses or digital downloads takes away time from new, more interesting projects.

Imagine how dull life would be if everytime you created something, you had to stop and think how you could make it available for money. It takes the joy out of doing spontaneous, one-off projects and moving on.

[purlieu]

Originally Posted by negative1

well, it depends on whether or not you consider this
a normal 'release'... obviously it's not a purely commercial one...
so why would it be promoted or distributed the way
any of their other normal ones were?

how many of these were?

I'm not asking for a 'normal' release, I'm asking for them to press up a thousand copies or so and sell them. Honestly, it'd cost them about £500. Or, as others have said, offer a digital version for sale.

this 'release' doesn't encourage anything anymore than
any other 'release' does... don't you think every other
thing they've put out has been copied and released
with the promos also? what makes you think this
would be any different?

The fact that the person who wants it to number of copies available ratio is much higher? The only stuff I download pirate copies of is out of print material, and I dare say it's the same for a lot of fans of my age and older (who, given their time together as a band, are probably a considerable proportion of UW's hardcore fanbase). The fewer copies you make available of a release, the more it encourages pirating.

if you really want to find the music you will, and if you
really want to make the effort to pay for it, (when you
can)... as a fan, you'll do that also... but they're not
encouraging anyone in any way or form to just take
their property and distribute it freely.. unless they've
expressly said so...

The options are: be one of the few who can purchase the release, download it illegally, or don't hear the music. They know they have more fans interested in their music than they had discs for sale, so they're either encouraging us to pirate it, or don't care if we hear it or not. I'd rather think the former, to be honest.

they've released TONS of music,
projects and videos FOR FREE via their site, and
through other means for the fans.. don't you appreciate
that aspect of their efforts?

I do, but I don't think it compensates for making some material difficult to get ahold of. Whether you think the logistics of purchasing the album were hard or not, the limited nature and price of the release mean a fair number of people will miss out. A few mp3s and videos of outtakes and demos is a nice treat, but if the cost is an expensive, extremely limited run of an album people are desperate to hear, then I'd rather not bother.

Anyway, ins and outs aside, the simple fact is: they had two options of making this available to a lot of fans, and they didn't take either, simply choosing a limited, exclusive 'people who can afford to pay a lot of money only' route.
Fans: hey, lots of us want to buy this, can we?
Underworld: no, you're not rich enough, fuck off.

[big screen satellite]

i think you may be missing -1's point...

this is a limited release... its NOT available commercially

it was only available at the exhibition - a bonus for those who attended - it didn't sell out so they made what was left available... when that lot runs out thats IT.

i used to collect KLF records way back and some of their releases were really scarce... what i would have done for an extra 1000 copies to be made of a 12" or CD, but no, they stopped at the production run and that was it - a couple of releases they did odd number copies of, which would have been more counter productive and cost effective if they rounded it up to 500 or 1000 copies, but thats the point... they didn't want to.

now i know in the digital age we want downloads, but the beauty of this item is that its something that you could have taken away from the exhibit, with a catalogue as a momento of your visit... its just lucky that we get the chance to buy any leftovers...its annoying it was in Japan, but its also annoying for me when Star Wars do exclusive weekends at Disneyland and the exclusive only stuff is sold in the US - which i then have to source elsewhere at twice the cost...unfortunatley just because the 1001st fan wants a copy of a record / action figure whatever doesn't mean that the band / manufacturer will or want to knock off extra copies...

i'm always pissed off if i miss getting hold of something even if its just a digital copy, but i somehow seem to manage to track it down one way or another... i know its wrong, but for UW (and i'm not condoning this wholeheattedly) this release is not commercially available and therefore is not out there to make money, so is more or less open to borrowing from the internet


i know they could make more or make it digital, but why would they... they had 180 tracks in the bin for the last few years but these aren't available either... we all have wish lists but thats the beauty (or not) of following bands like UW, its easier now in the 2010's than it was in the 1990's

i know shouting does work, and it may be that in time a copy becomes availble online uw shop, but until then i think we have to accept that this is it. UW are not making it difficult, they made it simple, unfortunatley you had to be in Japan.

[lowbit]

Originally Posted by negative1

i'm just curious, but what do you mean by hard?

I'm honestly not even sure how to begin to reply to this; the viewpoint presented in your post seems so detached from (at least what I understand as) the normal everyday world, it's left me more or less speechless.