Arizona - WTF?

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Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

I never said it was a biiiiig fucking problem, but it's not a good thing now is it? Like, ultimately I think we ought to make the immigration process a little easier than just kicking them out.

We are in agreement here. I don't like the lawlessness of the situation either.

Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

I realize the whole argument is "they take the jobs no one wants" but that's a little difficult right now...our unemployment rate is huge and there are plenty of people who want those jobs.

No, the argument is "they take the jobs we offered them in the first place out of our greed." During the housing boom they were key to AZ expansion, they allowed more houses to go up in less time, allowing more mortgages and all the service sector to gain from the housing boom. And we used the little brown people because they were cheaper and worked their asses off without complaint. Now that the boom is busted, they simply supply a great punching bag.

Let me reiterate this because I think my point was missed. there are no jobs in this country. We have no manufacturing base. 2/3 of all employment is in the service and credit sectors, supplying services and credit to an economy that produces nothing. All Jobs are in China. We now have american companies using bail out money to build factories in other countries to supply products to us. We now have american companies building factories in other countries to sell shit to china's rising consumer base. It came out that Goldman Sachs sent a significant chunk of its bail-out money overseas. Gorilla Glass, a hot new industry worth "billions", an american invention 30 years ago will see a boom of job growth in China.

The middle class in this country is getting squeezed out like a wet wash rag.

And I am laughing my ass off that I have to illustrate this point even more than I have, but how much sense does it make, in this situation, to bitch and moan about the lawn care industry going to the garcia brothers?

Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

That article didn't really have any hard data but even accepting it's true the fact is why even have the law at all if we're not going to try to enforce it?

Enforcement is not a state police jurisdiction. so says the constitution.

Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

Anyway what exactly do you mean "smear an entire ethnic group"? Is that what you think I'm doing?

I think some of the things you've said, and the arguments you've made go into mob politics. The same mob that's being stoked all over a disenfranchized unemployed middle class that is incapable of looking at the real causes of their situation.

here's a link refuting the hysteria around kidnapping in AZ

http://www.politifact.com/texas/stat...-capital-worl/


And incidentally I don't advocate an open border. I advocate a guarded border. What I also advocate is something less than a police state to solve the problem.

I could go on talking about Joe Arpaio and his links to private prison firms, how he has already made promises to go on raids god knows where and fill his tent prison where there is "plenty of room", how there are already reports of police so gung ho they are harrassing buses of native americans but what is the point.

Enjoy your fascist, broke ass ignorant country free of illegals. I just hope americans can look themselves in the eye one day and take responsibility for the part they played in the disaster playing out now, and soon to be in the future.