Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith...

[patrick]

oh man... i know about that scene with the missile droids. i retract my statement earlier about the stupidist part... that is for SURE the worst... and most specifically the part where obi wan tells r2d2 how to kill them. they are just focused on the droid's stupid fight for about a minute... GOD DAMN IT... i was so angry

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by patrick

oh man... i know about that scene with the missile droids. i retract my statement earlier about the stupidist part... that is for SURE the worst... and most specifically the part where obi wan tells r2d2 how to kill them. they are just focused on the droid's stupid fight for about a minute... GOD DAMN IT... i was so angry

one reason for these: action figures

[King of Snake]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

GL cannot write dialogue or direct actors, but he sure can direct a good action shot, and create a unique universe, in which to get immersed - the Star Wars Saga is all about escaping...

That's just the thing, I can get immersed in the universe of the old movies (well maybe until the Ewoks show up ), but I just have such a hard time getting immersed in the new ones because even the people who made it didn't take it seriously and are constantly winking at me from behind the screen with their goofy little droids saying "uh-oh" and aliens stepping in poo.
That's what's so good about Empire Strikes Back, because there you had a director who actually took the universe of the movie seriously. He says in one of the interviews on the dvd edition something like "I felt it (the movie) needed humour, but yet I couldn't have gags, I felt like it needed romance, but it couldn't have a lot of kissing etc". George Lucas applies the opposite logic, diluting what is supposed to be an epic story of war and loss of freedom with stupid gags and smoochie love scenes. I can't even begin to imagine how much this movie would improve if you would just cut all the bad jokes out.

Star Wars is a kids movie, there is no denying that, and in his mind, GL has to tell you everything, rather than let you figure it out for yourself, after all not everybody is a 30 something fanboy who knows the backstory, or the key plot points...

Actually I thought there were way too many things that were just not explained at all and just seemed to happen for no apparent reason.

by no means am i saying that the PT movies are the best in the world - they are obviously not, but i wish people would stop bashing them because they have some deep-rooted love of the past, Star Wars wasn't a great movie all over, it was a great event and groundbreaking, and thats what people remember...

well I don't have a particular love of Return of the Jedi, but the other the films are just much, much better in almost every respect (that matters). I'm sure the original trilogy has it's moments of bad acting but at least I can watch it without cringing, something that's impossible in most scenes in the new films. And it's not because I hate the actors or anything, I'm sure they can all act pretty good (especially Ewan McGregor) but because of the insanely stupid things they keep saying.
You don't have to compare them to the old Star Wars movies to bash them either, you can just compare it with Lord of the Rings for a present day example of big-budget epic fantasy filmmaking done right.

enough people went to see TPM, more than once, its not the 5th most successful movie in BO take of all time for nothing...and i've been conversing with a lot of fans of the Star Wars movies born since the OT, and most of them prefer the new trilogy...all they know is CGI and Blockbuster explosions...70's hairstyles and 'muppet' like puppets don't impress kids these days...

I guess we can conclude that's quite a sad state of affairs then. We all know that big special effects blockbusters can still rake in the millions even with a dumb plot and bad acting. There are more than enough people who will fall for that sort of thing and kid themselves that they just saw a great movie. Hey, I enjoy watching movies like that too from time to time and especially when you're younger you obviously are less critical of things like plot or acting (I know because for a while I thought Independance Day was the best movie evar! ), that doesn't mean it's ok to just forget about that and focus on more CG instead.

[big screen satellite]

^ KOS i agree with you on almost every count...LOTR trilogy is a masterpiece for one..., and I do think that GL did get lazy or reliant upon CGI, but there is no denying that the PT set of movies have been a great success...

even I cringe at the acting, which i think is the worst part of the PT...little Annie, Ewan, Hayden...even Palpatine overacts a bit too much in ROTS...and yes these elements do spoil the movie to a certain degree, but i think i try and let these gloss over...there are a lot more godawful bits in the PT than any of the OT...the hills are alive scene...but hey i accept that GL hasn't learnt from his lack of scriptwriting ability and dialogue skills and accept the movies as they are...i like the PT as its part of the complete Star Wars Saga...even i appreciate teh finer qualities of the OT...but i have to defend the fact that GL went back and made the PT...



and there are plently of shite movies at the top of the BO takings chart..Titanic being the biggest one...and you can blame GL for almost all of these movies too...after all, over 60 of the top 100 grossing movies of all time were made using IML technology (George's CGI dept.) or by WETA (a company set up by Peter Jackson, inspired by ILM - to assist in the LOTR trilogy)...GL and Star Wars have a lot to answer for...

[King of Snake]

They have been succesfull, but I think the success is mostly based on the popularity of the originals and the franchise as a whole, and the special effects. And I guess there are a whole lot of devote Star Wars fans who are willing to accept anythin Lucas does and think it's great just because it's Star Wars. Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars and I did enjoy the prequels to a certain degree because it is Star Wars and they do have their place in the saga. It's just that they could have and should have done a whole lot better and when I'm watching these films there's this voice in my head that keeps telling me "come on, you can try to enjoy it but deep inside you know it's crap!"

and there are plently of shite movies at the top of the BO takings chart..Titanic being the biggest one...and you can blame GL for almost all of these movies too...after all, over 60 of the top 100 grossing movies of all time were made using IML technology (George's CGI dept.) or by WETA (a company set up by Peter Jackson, inspired by ILM - to assist in the LOTR trilogy)...GL and Star Wars have a lot to answer for...

can't argue with this. Of course ILM have done some great things (and some not so great) over the years. As for Weta, I think the Peter Jackson/Weta combination is going to give us some really great movies in the future. (currently enjoying all the online making of-video's of King Kong) From everything I've seen of Weta (and believe me I've watched every second of the LOTR extended dvd's) they are an amazingly talented group of people with an equally amazing spirit and work ethos. Something that I'm not so sure about in regards to ILM these days.

[//\/\/]

goofy little droids saying "uh-oh" and aliens stepping in poo.

that sort of sums things up nicely!


and how come the death star was pretty-well on the way to being built, only to take another 18 years or so? union problems or something?

[Forgotten Sanity]

Hahaha, good question //\/\/.

Although ROTS was far away the best movie of the prequels, it was still lame. However, there was a definate improvement in the acting, whether or not you discerning viewers want to acknowledge it. Haydn was more natural, and Ewan's performance made his character a lot more easy to sympathize with this time around. My biggest gripe was with Palpatine. He was completely unnatural before his transformation, and was the biggest pile of shit afterwards. If I was Anakin, I would woken the fuck up.

"Hey, I'll do your bidding now."

"GOOOOOOD!!!"

"Uhm... why are you talking like Bela Legosi?"

"Because... you. Have joined. THE DAAAARK SIIIIDE."

"Hey, for real. Stop talking like a vampire. You're making me feel a bit strange."

"GOOOOOOD!!!"

"Whatever man. I'm going back to the force. I liked Mace Windu a lot more than you, and he's been on my shit list since day one. How am I going to take you out in public? You're acting like an idiot, and what's this about killing kids again?"

[b.miller]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

one reason for these: action figures

you know, the more I think about it... the more i'm convinced that my love for the original trilogy was actually more about the toys than the movies. I have all these memories about characters like Hammerhead and the alligator bounty hunter dude who are barely in one shot of the movies but since i had their toys and played with them forever, i loved it. I really don't know how fondly i would remember the Millenium Falcon if i didn't have the toy and couldn't marvel at how cool it was that they had the smuggler's hold built in. Certainly I think Boba Fett gained a lot of popularity because of the toy, simply because he looked like a badass. He was the Star Wars equivalent of Snake Eyes. It all melts together... now with the new ones, since i have to pay for my own toys now rather than just beg on birthdays and christmas, all i have is the movies and they don't quite add up. Even with epi3, if i hadn't seen the Clone Wars cartoon i would've thought that Grevious was really, really lame. I still have problems with him but at least i knew why he was constantly coughing and wheezing. And thanks to playing LEGO Star Wars, I got more out of the kashyyk sequence than what was in the movie. The movie feels like a puzzle with only 75% of the pieces and you have to scrounge around the couch cushions and underneath the bed to collect the whole story. Maybe i need to buy more toys.

[Raz]

Originally Posted by big screen satellite

...LOTR trilogy is a masterpiece for one...

It wasn't *THAT* good.

[big screen satellite]

Originally Posted by Raz

It wasn't *THAT* good.

well it wasn't bad for a three movie set filmed back to back...it was pretty epic - and did win 11 oscars...(i count the oscars given to ROTK - for all three movies)...