The beginning of the end for P2Ps/Torrent Sites?

[Jan]

To all who made the mistake: Theft/stealing and copyright infringement are different concepts. Please try your best not to confuse the two.

Also it's maybe hard to accept for some musicians but they don't "own" anything. We (the public) merely granted them a temporary exclusive right (should be around 10 years, but due to lobbyism etc. 50+ years now) to market their creations. We do that because we want to hear more music in the future.

Fact: If you don't want people to hear your music, don't release it. Once an idea is out there, how do you want to stop it?

Another fact: There is no shortage of good music; so apparently the situation is not as bad as some people describe it. If you are a musician and nobody buys your album, maybe it isn't the fault of "The Pirate Bay", but maybe it's because the music is bad?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jan

To all who made the mistake: Theft/stealing and copyright infringement are different concepts. Please try your best not to confuse the two.

There are indeed differences, but both "copyright infringement" and "stealing" apply equally to the issue of illegal downloading. Please try your best to understand that as you read on.

Originally Posted by Jan

Also it's maybe hard to accept for some musicians but they don't "own" anything. We (the public) merely granted them a temporary exclusive right (should be around 10 years, but due to lobbyism etc. 50+ years now) to market their creations. We do that because we want to hear more music in the future.

I absolutely beg to differ. When I create and copyright a piece of art, be it music, paintings, photographs, or whatever else, I do legally own it. And if I create a remix for hire, I sign a contract that states in no uncertain terms that the original artist legally owns said remix when it's done. It doesn't matter that we're discussing intellectual property versus physical property, ownership is very clearly outlined in any legal agreement regarding artwork.

The philosophical argument can be made about ownership of less tangible forms of artwork, but ultimately, people need to respect the fact that an artist creating a piece of art and selling it is no different than any manufacturer out there making any other product that they sell.

Originally Posted by Jan

Fact: If you don't want people to hear your music, don't release it. Once an idea is out there, how do you want to stop it?

Who said they didn't want their music to be heard? I think virtually all musicians want their music heard - they just don't want to be ripped off. Like I said before, I've made plenty of my own music available for free through my sig below, but some tracks I've done are only available for purchase. I want those to be heard too, but since they're only available for sale rather than free download, I do expect that people pay for them. And how do I want to stop people from illegally obtaining my work? That would be through copyright laws.

Originally Posted by Jan

Another fact: There is no shortage of good music; so apparently the situation is not as bad as some people describe it. If you are a musician and nobody buys your album, maybe it isn't the fault of "The Pirate Bay", but maybe it's because the music is bad?

Oh dear lord.

[Jan]

I see a lot of small independent labels releasing new exciting music.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Jan

I see a lot of small independent labels releasing new exciting music.

So what are you saying...that this somehow means other small independent labels aren't going under after losing sales to illegal file-sharing?

[potatobroth]

The means at which you are acquiring music that has not been paid for shouldn't discussed differently with regards to technology. Just because its easy to download an Underworld song for free doesn't make it right in just the same way that taking an Underworld CD doesn't make it right.

Why do people feel entitled to free music/software/art? Is the defense really so hinged on availibility? Make me understand because right now, I can't help but hear, "since I can, I do."