Hope these new songs don't go on RiverRuns

[Mike]

Originally Posted by BrotherLovesDub

it's part of their formula.

yeah formula for me to skip

Ansum - yes. Monkey Wank - no thanks :P

[Champiness]

Oh this thread is just a breeding ground for arguments...
Surprised nobody's complained about this:

Originally Posted by Mike

yeah formula for me to skip

Ansum - yes. Monkey Wank - no thanks :P

yet. It's probably for the best that they haven't.
To say that Dirty0900 wants Underworld to make a "shit album" assumes that the albums he was using as examples of success were bad. Not once was that said, and it certainly wasn't the basis of the entire argument. Quite the opposite, in fact: by making albums full of singles that could easily get themselves "on air", those bands got them on the charts and therefore reached some level of popularity, which could then be used to build excitement for a future release. Underworld currently has a large back catalog of tracks like that, and releasing them together could help them "spark new life" into the group.
Now can we just put this to rest?

[dubman]

i know he never said those were shit albums, and i knew (obviously) that he wasnt telling underworld to make shit slbums. he even said flat out "whether you think theyre good or not"
however, i'm saying they're shit albums. so my understanding, based on the logic here, is regardless of quality they should follow the example of recent shitty albums and follow suit and provide single material and stuff that can be used for ridiculous purposes just to stay out there and popular.

which i'd be against.

Good albums get press

please try again.

[Champiness]

Originally Posted by dubman

i know he never said those were shit albums, and i knew (obviously) that he wasnt telling underworld to make shit slbums. he even said flat out "whether you think theyre good or not"
however, i'm saying they're shit albums, so my understanding, based on the logic here, is regardless of quality, they should follow the example of recent shitty albums and follow suit and provide single material and stuff that can be used for ridiculous purposes just to stay out there and popular.

which i'd be against.



please try again.

As much as I don't want to start a flamewar, I'd hardly call promotion a "ridiculous purpose". Whether you want to accept it or not, "Underworld" is Rick & Karl's profession as much as it is our lovely art project with intricate poetry celebrating everyday moments. They need money. That doesn't mean they compromise their image to do so. It means they use the music they think will get them the most popular in their current 200+ library to do so. Think of it this way: they're fighting for more fans. Just as I'm sure half the Dirts here now used Nuxx as their entryway into fandom, future generations of Dirts will need something to get them started.
I'm sorry. I honestly am. There's no good reason for me to be arguing. But there's not a reason for you to be either.

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Originally Posted by dubman

please try again.

Uhhh, top-tier albums by somewhat well-known artists do get lots of press. How many Radiohead songs do you hear on the radio or TV? When Sufjan Stevens sold out concerts across the country, was it because of the runaway success of "Jacksonville"? If they were bad albums, nobody would know about them today.

[dubman]

try 'chicago'

a vast, huge majority of 'good albums' dont get press either, while sevral terrible albums do. getting play or notice may just not be worth the hassle of coming up with something suited to radio play. if underworld have it in them to make another 5 star album, then they dont need to think of football commercials to make it, they just have to make an album that isnt nearly as problematic as recent output's been showing.

however, this makes sense:

It means they use the music they think will get them the most popular in their current 200+ library to do so

sure, but if it's not the album they want to put out, then it shouldnt be.

even though looking at the big picture it seems basically ridiculous to suggest how to get popular to a band that's been around some 25 years who's been-there-done-that.

[holden]

Originally Posted by Mike

yeah formula for me to skip

Ansum - yes. Monkey Wank - no thanks :P

Uh, what the heck? Ansum = ambient. Monkey Wink, pretty much electro, sans beats. Put a beat on top (i've done it) and it's a regular Moaner 2.

[holden]

By the by, YDS, ALAF, and even Bamboo have been floating around in fairly finished forms for awhile now. yes, i know the argument in 2005-06 with the RiverRuns were that we'd heard snippets of the tracks on dirtyradio in 04, and for OWB, we got the Biro finally as Beautiful Burnout.
But in my view, the above tracks have served their purpose in the live arena and won't make it to an album or RR (if there is another). Just 2 cents.

[sandston]

Perhaps I am a bit out of line here but aren't Prodigy, Massive attack and Roykksop signed to labels if not major labels. I think the current consensus here is that AHDO fell short in a way. The tour associated with the album saw a lot less improv as well. I think the boys have responded to this as a product of Label pressure on both accounts and I for one believe them. This is the reason they branched out on their own, read independant. This is the reason OB got little to no airplay vs their contemporaries such as Prodigy etc. I think if you look at their current live show and where the level of improv is getting to and you look at the new stuff coming out I think we are in for a whole new era of Underworld. Be carefull what you wish for because if they boys do get popular again we may never here anything but a string similar festival type sets consisting of the hits and and the new. I for one would love to see them open up their catalog. Even my friends who have only seen them three times are complaining about the similarity in the sets. But my friends thats another topic for another thread.

[Dunwho]

Originally Posted by sandston

Perhaps I am a bit out of line here but aren't Prodigy, Massive attack and Roykksop signed to labels if not major labels. I think the current consensus here is that AHDO fell short in a way. The tour associated with the album saw a lot less improv as well. I think the boys have responded to this as a product of Label pressure on both accounts and I for one believe them. This is the reason they branched out on their own, read independant. This is the reason OB got little to no airplay vs their contemporaries such as Prodigy etc. I think if you look at their current live show and where the level of improv is getting to and you look at the new stuff coming out I think we are in for a whole new era of Underworld. Be carefull what you wish for because if they boys do get popular again we may never here anything but a string similar festival type sets consisting of the hits and and the new. I for one would love to see them open up their catalog. Even my friends who have only seen them three times are complaining about the similarity in the sets. But my friends thats another topic for another thread.

Also THAT is an excellent point.