wellllll isn't this interesting....

[dubman]

this just sounds like the bus is still running for people to get thrown under because someone has to pay. they did it to the local theatre director and theyre doing it to these people.
blaming people who went on vacation over an issue where lies are the gamewinners is hardly productive.

[BeautifulBurnout]

There seems to be as much in-fighting in the GLBT community over there as there is over here. Famous (infamous?) lesbian activist and columnist Julie Bindel recently ended up with a protest against her being nominated by Stonewall for a journalism prize because of some very nasty remarks she has made about trans-sexuals.

(Mind you, she deserved it - she made some very shitty remarks and I have never liked her much anyway )

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by dubman

this just sounds like the bus is still running for people to get thrown under because someone has to pay. they did it to the local theatre director and theyre doing it to these people.
blaming people who went on vacation over an issue where lies are the gamewinners is hardly productive.

I'm sure there's some of that but leadership is *key* to minority rights movements. just look who got elected as the first black president. Instead of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakan, or any of the other old school minority leaders, it was a nobody harvard professor partly because the annointed minority rights leaders had devolved into ineffectual self serving plutocrats, actually weighing down inertia on the movement because positive results are diametrically opposed to the power they enjoy. Right, Yassir Arafat?

I mean trying to outspend the mormon church... good luck with that, even if you aren't on vacation for a month the summer right before the big vote.

that being said, (and I know everyone is probably annoyed at my constant prattling on about this stuff) when a mormon family extricates themselves from the mormon community they basically become landed immigrants in their own neighborhoods, where the neighbor kids will now no longer play with your kids and various shit like that.

That's a heavy sacrifice by people who are standing for a principle they believe in. and when you give hint that there's not the same level of sincerity on behalf of the people you fight for, its really not cool.