Arizona - WTF?

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Originally Posted by Rex

No, the argument is "they take the jobs we offered them in the first place out of our greed." During the housing boom they were key to AZ expansion, they allowed more houses to go up in less time, allowing more mortgages and all the service sector to gain from the housing boom. And we used the little brown people because they were cheaper and worked their asses off without complaint. Now that the boom is busted, they simply supply a great punching bag.

Unless you know something I don't, I don't think we were actively recruiting Mexicans to illegally cross the border. I don't disagree that they were key to the housing boom. BTW I don't think the point of this law was to rid Arizona of construction workers

Originally Posted by Rex

Let me reiterate this because I think my point was missed. there are no jobs in this country. We have no manufacturing base. 2/3 of all employment is in the service and credit sectors, supplying services and credit to an economy that produces nothing. All Jobs are in China. We now have american companies using bail out money to build factories in other countries to supply products to us. We now have american companies building factories in other countries to sell shit to china's rising consumer base. It came out that Goldman Sachs sent a significant chunk of its bail-out money overseas. Gorilla Glass, a hot new industry worth "billions", an american invention 30 years ago will see a boom of job growth in China.

The middle class in this country is getting squeezed out like a wet wash rag.

And I am laughing my ass off that I have to illustrate this point even more than I have, but how much sense does it make, in this situation, to bitch and moan about the lawn care industry going to the garcia brothers?

I don't think it's exactly as dire as you state, and I don't quite see the logic behind saying both "there are no jobs in this country" and "it's okay if illegals take the jobs we have"

You have a valid point that there are bigger fish to fry, but why argue this at all then?

Originally Posted by Rex

Enjoy your fascist, broke ass ignorant country free of illegals. I just hope americans can look themselves in the eye one day and take responsibility for the part they played in the disaster playing out now, and soon to be in the future.

So my argument will lead to a "fascist, broke ass ignorant country" and yours will lead to nothing worse than "the Garcias are mowing the lawn"?? Well I'm not exactly arguing that we should deport all the illegals either. Weird you call America "ignorant" simply for trying to enforce the law we have. So you don't support an open border, but don't care if some people sneak over? We're not talking about keeping out honest, good-natured individuals in search of a better life. It's all how you frame the argument. Once again I am guessing you don't and have never lived in Arizona (or Texas, where I was born). It strikes me as a little nuts to say they're racist bastards for supporting this law because as I mentioned earlier, nobody who was actually racist would want to live there. Sure, some of them are, they do stupid things, and they make the news. Also, plenty of Mexicans hate Americans, did you know that? As I said I've been there for a decent amount of time and yeah, many people I've talked to legit dislike Americans and you better believe that if we started sneaking in the country in droves selling drugs over there we'd probably be shot on the spot. It's just that America is in the position of power in this case.

Again, I'd really wait to see how this was actually enforced before saying America is headed for collapse as a direct result of this law (or whatever). I would bet dollars to donuts that nearly everyone is overreacting.