moderators editing members posts

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

I have done what I can to put this right. What else would you like me to do, exactly? I really don't see why you are still ranting at me about it.

you're right, my comment about the ability to edit opinions shouldn't have been directed towards you. your explanation of events sounds as though you were trying to make things right.

in which case i wish that in the process of rectifying things you had included a moderator comment illustrating that the changes were not my doing. that's the responsibility that goes along with being a moderator, inconvenient as it might be. i would also hope that whoever felt it was within their role as a moderator to edit my thread title to "bush - cock" would own his or her changes as well. my third wish, since wishes come in threes, would be for that person to lose their moderator status so that they will never again be tempted to edit other members' posts.

my disappointment and disgust still stands with the person who made your actions necessary. i have to wonder if that person will own their actions the way you owned yours.

additionally, my assertion that this forum does not need a self-appointed mother also stands. that applies to you, if you feel it necessary to intervene when you think playtime is getting a little too rough, and it applies to anyone else who feels the same way and locks or edits threads without owning the action.

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by dubman

i edited it to 'bush, cock' because by then the thread smelled strongly of the infamous "bono, cock" thread, and i was the Ally in that thread, so it was as big a joke on me than anything, but it was, um... lighthearted?
and yeah i did seans post too, just because. i didnt take anything he was saying out, and i was basically making fun for no one calling anyone out by name because we were all playing nicey-nice, but since that's not obvious it's otherwise hardly anything to get worked up about unless thats not what this is really about.

gee, you think were all still a bit pissed and this 'group hug' PM was a bit premature?

i was on your side in the context of the thread. i felt like you and sean were teading tit-for-tat with no one coming out the better. i was still in your corner when you locked the thread, because at the very least you included a post just before doing it notifying users that the subject was closed. locking the thread didn't matter to me, but i recognize that it mattered to others.

but this? how can i be in your corner? maybe you were making a little inside joke for a member who no longer posts here? if ally were still active and he were here to comment on the change, maybe it would all be different. but that's not the case. you simply used your authority for your own amusement.

and editing sean's post, which i was not aware of until now, is far worse. because i saw it before he edited it back, and i had no idea that those weren't his words.

it is no small matter to access another member's account. all we have on a forum is words and when you change them and take them away you ruin the implicit understanding that we may represent ourselves however we wish with the only method of communication we have.

i hate that it's you that i'm saying this about because frankly i like your posts and what i can know of you as a person through your posts. but this was way wrong. and i feel very strongly that your rights as moderator should be removed because clearly you can't handle the responsibility.

edit: and the comment about the premature PM? it wasn't premature for those of us who thought we were all playing on the same field. it was premature for you, because none of us were aware of how far you were willing to go to abuse your moderator status.

[dubman]

you simply used your authority for your own amusement.

kinda, yeah
what else am i supposed to do with it.

jesus. get serious about it? pretend its a responsibility? its a goddamn forum.

sorry, i can only take the heat on this for so long. you guys going *this* bugfuck is starting to get LJ-funny.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by cacophony

additionally, my assertion that this forum does not need a self-appointed mother also stands. that applies to you, if you feel it necessary to intervene when you think playtime is getting a little too rough, and it applies to anyone else who feels the same way and locks or edits threads without owning the action.

OK. And I know I said I have no more to say, but I was lying.

Even before I was a moderator, I was always a hippy. And I always used to intervene with a "come on, let's all hug and be nice to each other"-type comment, no matter what forum it was in if I felt that it would help turn a negative situation into a more positive one. A lot of people don't like that about me, but it is who I am. I am not going to stop doing that just because I am a moderator now. Soz.

But I don't believe in editing, amending or otherwise interfering with what anyone else has to say. I don't like jack-boot moderation when it is done to me (and it has been), and I certainly won't be doing it to anyone else either.

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by dubman

you simply used your authority for your own amusement.

kinda, yeah
what else am i supposed to do with it.

jesus

and this is why i think you shouldn't be moderator. if you don't get this fundamental concept, then you can't handle it.


you were right when you said it's just moderating, it's not the weight of the world. when i agreed, i felt i was agreeing with the justifiable action of choosing when to close a thread. as i've said, i had no problem with that although i recognize that others did. closing the thread was not a violation. editing other people's posts was.

[dubman]

Originally Posted by cacophony

and this is why i think you shouldn't be moderator. if you don't get this fundamental concept, then you can't handle it.


you were right when you said it's just moderating, it's not the weight of the world. when i agreed, i felt i was agreeing with the justifiable action of choosing when to close a thread. as i've said, i had no problem with that although i recognize that others did. closing the thread was not a violation. editing other people's posts was.

eeugh, theres nothing to handle
you were agreeing with the idea of closing the thread, but if seans not going to let it go for the childish play it was, that idea's going to apply here too.

[holden]

Been away from the forums a few days, so i missed the drama.
But i've read it all now, as well as the locked thread, editing posts follow-ups.
Lots of strong emotions on the original and tangential topics. But it does seem like the finger-pointing is getting out of hand.

As an outside perspective, i just want to say that the moderators tend to do an excellent job of keeping the forums functioning as spirited but generally sane place. Editing posts isn't right, nor is locking threads that are clearly still running strong (even if the arguments have gotten twisted through PMs and somewhat argumentative debate... for however many or few were actively posting, there was still something worth posting about!).

But i think it's unfair to call for moderator resignation/impeachment

Kind of think we're all mature enough to say, sorry, apology accepted, let's not let it (threadlocking/editing) happen again.

The namecalling and fierce posting should continue, though!

[gambit]

Man, I haven't stepped into this shit since it started. But this is getting way out of hand, cacophony, when you go after BB repeatedly after she's apologized. Bear in mind, I agree with you on most things you argue about in world and certainly with the recent "GWB hates women" thread and the moderator editing. But, pardon my language, you are way out of fucking line here, cacophony. You're turning into an unbearable asshole, which is unfortunate because you're intelligent and engaged in actual discussions here. I'm a writer myself, so I'm with you all the way about someone else editing your words or someone else's words, but fuck. You're beating a dead horse here. BB's apologized, dubman's seen the error of his ways. They've learned their lesson, now move along please.

[dubman]

well i think the concern is legitimate, but since the only mods who bother here are BB and myself, it could have been addressed this time though PM, where i could backpedal some more and admit that, yes, conceptually its a crappy thing to do. and as much as it wasnt insignificant but a board-wide joke i thought everyone would get, i can see the yellow card a-comin for it.
but it was a thread, and a shouty one full of flouncing and super-drama, so it made me also think that realistically, none of this crap is warranted, so i got glib. it's on you people at some point for whats ridiculous on this board.

[Professor]

all points are good, everybody forgives everyone and we all win.

really. agree that censorship is bad, this forum is sometimes 'serious' depending on one's state of mind at the time, but in general, it IS just a forum, not life....

i've gotten my panties in a wad on occasion, and i've laughed at people on occasion who have gotten theirs in a wad. it all goes around.

i've had my posts changed for a joke... sometimes it's funny, sometimes not... most times it is. (winks at stimpee and yan)

my point: we all have too much time on our hands