Live 8

[Raz]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Sanity

Why limit the people that can go to the shows and therefore, limit the number of people that you can reach? It is like his system is cannibalizing itself.

Tickets are limited as there's a finite amount of space? How does setting a limit on the number of tickets (which would be the case for any other concert) limit the number of people that the Live 8 message is able to reach? These concerts and the political aims/fallout have been headline news for the last few weeks. The London gig will be broadcast globally to an audience of hundreds of millions, they're estimating 28 million will be watching the BBC feed in the UK alone. Where is the limit on the number of people that the Live 8 message can reach?

[Forgotten Sanity]

It depends on whether or not you think that the average person picking up the paper is going "OOOH a big concert for African poverty" and flipping to the sports page, or if they're "OOOH a big concert for African poverty, I want details! And stats! And action plans for the G8!"

I'd put a wager on the notion that people are doing the former more than the latter. Cool its on TV however, I hadn't heard that yet so thanks for letting me know.

[goldfish]

What you don't seem to appreciate is that there are some basic standards that should be incontrovertible.

Sometimes people have to take responsibility for their own actions, not whine like a bitch about Bob Geldorf and feeding the kids, and do the RIGHT THING.

Simon

[Forgotten Sanity]

Simon, you don't have to preach to me, taking care of the situation in Africa should be on any respectable country and person's high priority list.

Just because I choose to punch holes through Bob's "plan of action" doesn't mean I don't take the African situation seriously. Fact is, Bob can do with his status a lot more than I can do, as an unfamous, not-so-rich commoner. And you hope that people like Bob, when they want to do something, its as successful as can be. But he's making an ass out of himself in the media, and I think that his system in general has some flaws in it that will prevent it from being maximally effective. That's what is heartbreaking.

[Raz]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Sanity

It depends on whether or not you think that the average person picking up the paper is going "OOOH a big concert for African poverty" and flipping to the sports page, or if they're "OOOH a big concert for African poverty, I want details! And stats! And action plans for the G8!"

The number of tickets available for the concert also has no bearing on an individual's level of interest in current affairs. It's not just newspapers, it's radio, TV, internet, cinema adverts, people are talking about the issue. There will be millions of people watching the concerts, the MPH message will be abundantly clear to all of them. All of that will contribute to increase the pressure for politicians to do something about the sorry mess, rather than sitting around doing fuck all (just because they stand to gain nothing other than doing the right thing).

Edit: this thread should have been created in world.

[goldfish]

Oh bullshit.

Whatever Geldorf's personality problems, he, unlike the ruthless cunts profiteering on live8 tickets, is part of the solution, not part of the problem.

As for making 'an ass of himself', he has done nothing that hasn't raised awareness of Live8, and the reason Live8 is happening. Would that we were all so successful in achieving our aims when making 'asses' of ourselves.

Simon

[Rog]

Originally Posted by goldfish

There is such a thing as personal responsibility, there is such a thing as decency and there are such things as principles. The people profiteering out of this are nasty fuckwits who lack any of the above.Simon

Unfortunately Simon there are too many people lacking decency and principles. if there weren't then we wouldn't probably have to have an 'awareness' festival and africa would be in a better state than it is (i'm talking about western exploitation/crooked government type thing). Unfortunately when you get a line up containing PF together again after all this time then people are gonna pay top buck for tickets .....whatever the reason for the concert. The only way to stop ticket touts at any sort of event is to not sell tickets and make people queue.........this i know is not practical most of time but its the only way i can see to stop it.

[big screen satellite]

WHOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOO

i've just won some tickets to LIVE 8!!!!!


suckas....

i'm off to Hyde park!!!!


fantastic!!!

what time are Underworld on?

[Forgotten Sanity]

Originally Posted by goldfish

As for making 'an ass of himself', he has done nothing that hasn't raised awareness of Live8, and the reason Live8 is happening. Would that we were all so successful in achieving our aims when making 'asses' of ourselves.

Simon

I'd be cautious to champion people of authority who only do "good enough" - that kind of marginalization and acceptance for mediocrity is exactly what got us here in the first place. A good example is America - everyone was high up on Dubya after 9/11, and look at us now...

What can I say -- I reserve the right to be a critic. And even though I've made it sound like I'm a selfish bastard, i'm actually not. The means of obtaining tickets aside (sorry, still haven't been sold on the idea of what is wrong with buying the tickets)... one of my favorite people in the world, one of my heroes, is a Jesuit priest who did 5 years of missionary work in Uganda. And the picture that he can paint for you... fact is, I *really* respect this cause! And I want everything to go right.

[goldfish]

Originally Posted by Forgotten Sanity

A good example is America - everyone was high up on Dubya after 9/11, and look at us now...

We always said he was a useless cunt, before and after 9/11, but still y'all vote for him...

Originally Posted by Forgotten Sanity

sorry, still haven't been sold on the idea of what is wrong with buying the tickets

As before, buying 'meh', who cares, but selling....? Jaysus, for once, it'd be nice to think the world wasn't going to hell in a handbasket, but it is. And all the decent people who stand by and do nothing are helping it on its way. It's just not enough to say that you're not a selfish bastard, sometimes walking the walk is the only option.

Simon