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[mkb]

Originally Posted by joethelion

• he's a member of the band, and is selling the cd's to make extra money off the gig

oh, i neglected to mention that.

[joethelion]

not necessarily

if they're (proper) promo's then the band never made anything off them
they were only released to promote the band and their official release

it's just that a LOT (majority, possibly) of record stores will sell these promo items...

for example: I paid $15 for the DFA remixes of NIN's "the hand that feeds" ...only to find a local store giving them away - b/c they were promo's (as well as the Orb's "Aftermath" Ep, and NIN's "Only" Richard X/El-P mixes)

Originally Posted by lloyd

just one quick remark...
When it is on sale at ebay or a collectable record store, isn't it bought then before? And didn't the band that the cd made, got money from that sale?

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by joethelion

It just infuriates me how people will get pissed and say that you can 'easily' get the release, and not download it... then link to ebay or some "Online Collectable Record Store" - that's worse than getting the tracks for free as a third party makes a profit... and the original band makes nothing off it

Personally I don't see how this makes any difference. If you're buying an OOP second hand commerical release from a 3rd-party/eBay/whatever, you can assume that at least 9 times out of 10 the release has come from the record label's distributor and the label/artist took some money against that particular copy in the first instance. After that, if you want to pay a second hand dealer x amount so you can own the actual physical copy, then that's up to you. I seriously doubt that in the majority of cases this deprives the artist of any profit. They would have taken what they wanted off the original sale. If you want to download tracks on p2p then fine, but to return to your original point, you don't know that the source of these files actually generated any cash for the artist. Is it not the case nowadays that many albums are shared online before release from free promo copies? This is neither here nor there really. I just felt an inexplicable need to defend the profession of second hand record dealing.

[Stephen]

I see my point(s) has already been made. I stand by my reiteration.

[intensifier]

Originally Posted by Yannick

calm down guys..

if the thing is deleted no where to be found, do whatever you have to do to get it, and save your money to buy the new stuff or enjoy the concerts.

Hmm, that's it. Should I have a bad taste in MY mouth?
I buyed lots of UW Collection (OK, nearly most of it) on eBay, especially the MCD/CDS stuff, not the albums! And I do not feel guilty at all. Am I unloyal?

I will buy the new stuff, twice if neccessary, and I will go on concerts as long as I can stand on my own two feet.

Do we talk about being a real true fan, or do we talk about commerce?

[stimpee]

Originally Posted by Stephen

Personally I don't see how this makes any difference. If you're buying an OOP second hand commerical release from a 3rd-party/eBay/whatever, you can assume that at least 9 times out of 10 the release has come from the record label's distributor and the label/artist took some money against that particular copy in the first instance. I seriously doubt that in the majority of cases this deprives the artist of any profit.

Well, for past sales you are correct. The limited run of cds pressed have all been sold and generated as much money for the band as possible. However, its quite likely in this day and age that the whole back catalogue will become available in the future, either as a CD pressing or on an online store in an itunes-like fashion. I think offering Underworld songs on the official Underworld forum is in bad taste, and may be hitting future sales. If you can get a 320kbps rip on here, are you gonna buy it when it appears online?

If you really must get it, get it somewhere else.