Holy fucked up healthcare reform Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by kagenaki koe

the sad thing is, these people (including my cousin and her brainwasher/paranoid/wingnut boyfriend) only gets their information from FUX News and they don't trust any other information outlet whatsoever. my cousin's boyfriend even had the gall to say "well you get your information from PBS etc" when i gave her a link to information about Healthcare systems in other countries from the PBS website. I was not aware that PBS has become one very politically biased, leftwing, talking points channel. My eyes were doing parkour at that point.

Fox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals

(No shit? )

[Sean]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

Don't worry though, all of those companies are just swell and have noooooo alterior motives, conflicts of interest, or political/media lobbying power WHATSOEVER.......so just go back to your advertised media outlets meant for sheep and keep championing oBAAAAAAAAAAAAma and his sneaky fucked legislation.

This is the second time you've referred to people who may support Obama as "sheep" here. I find that interesting when you're the only one spouting off conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory - basically everything that a certain fragment of American society is being told to say by a few ultra-conservative nuts, like Hannity, Limbaugh, Jones, Beck, etc. Meanwhile, those of us being labeled as "sheep" by you are actually interested in the facts of what potential health care reform might look like, and are probably open to discussing the options available to us. We may have different perspectives on what qualifies someone to be labeled as a "sheep", but you can probably see where I'm going with this. Glass houses and stones and all that.

Originally Posted by the mongoose

Heathcare for illegal immigrants is the proverbial "GOLD RUSH" or "unexplored economic frontier" that all providers are all foaming at the mouth for. ....

But really, what's the harm in making it official and just legally opening up all of our medical resources to what essentially amounts to the entire country of Mexico? What could possibly go wrong?

True - which is why it's a good thing there's nothing actually included in health care reform at this point that would insure illegal immigrants.

And I just read through section 211 of the Reauthorization Act of 2009 you linked. It's all about what forms of proof of citizenship are required in order to obtain health care in the U.S. It in no way opens up health care to "the entire country of Mexico", or even to any illegal immigrants. You're freaked out and complaining about a non-issue.

[kagenaki koe]

Mexico has universal healthcare btw. since 2006.

[kagenaki koe]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

so just go back to your advertised media outlets meant for sheep

do you have your own media outlet where you get your information from that doesn't have any advertisers?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by the mongoose

It's not just that one section though, like I said....it's the ole' PWORA definition of "qualified" vs. each state's scrambled statutes....mixed up now even further with this Reauth Act of 2009 and other newly enacted state legislation "allowing thousands more to have coverage".

Yeah - here's a clipping from the article you linked above that supposedly allows "thousands more to have coverage":

"Crist acknowledged that KidCare could be improved even more. By law, the children of state workers and undocumented immigrants, as well as pregnant women, are not eligible for the program."

Seems to highlight yet another example of illegal immigrants not being eligible for health care rather than an example of opening it up to "the entire country of Mexico". So basically, you've presented a couple links as evidence of supposed public insurance options being made available to illegal immigrants, while neither does anything of the sort. Do you actually have anything of substance to back up your claims? So far all I've seen from you is links that don't say what you claim they do, and a bunch of Wikipedia pages alongside a couple random sites about Bush and stuff.

[chuck]

Respect!



Superb to hear a politician just chop someone down so frankly and fairly.

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ha! nice!

[Deckard]

Yeah, go Barney go!

"...like trying to argue with a dining room table!"

Oh we've had a few of those moments round here.

[chuck]

I know it's a well worn cliche, particularly around these parts.

But the Daily Show has given me more insight into this issue than anything else, and while that might be a little bit scary, if you consider the state of 'journalism' - that's another story.

The August 20th episode of the Daily Show - the interview with Betsy McCaughey is just outstanding.

Stewart is smart and knows his shit.

McCaughey is patronising and seemingly making shit up.

Jump across to ColbertNation, and there's an insightful Stephen Colbert debate with a dining room table. I have to agree with the desk lamp's argument actually.

3 weeks without the Daily???!! - thank god for the interwebs.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by chuck

I know it's a well worn cliche, particularly around these parts.

But the Daily Show has given me more insight into this issue than anything else, and while that might be a little bit scary, if you consider the state of 'journalism' - that's another story.

The August 20th episode of the Daily Show - the interview with Betsy McCaughey is just outstanding.

Stewart is smart and knows his shit.

McCaughey is patronising and seemingly making shit up.

Jump across to ColbertNation, and there's an insightful Stephen Colbert debate with a dining room table. I have to agree with the desk lamp's argument actually.

3 weeks without the Daily???!! - thank god for the interwebs.

I'm glad to hear you say this. These days, I bounce around between CNN, MSNBC and FOX to see what they're all saying, and yet it's the Daily Show and Colbert Report that seem to be shining a spotlight on what's really happening much better and more clearly than any "legitimate" news shows. As much as I love Daily and Colbert, that's a bad, bad sign for cable news. FOX is in the freakin' tank for ultra-conservatives, MSNBC for ultra-liberals, and I've cut way back on CNN ever since Michael Jackson died and became their lead story for like at least a month. I just couldn't take any more rehashing of the same old Jackson stories over and over and over and over again. So after a couple years of being addicted to CNN as the 2008 election rolled on, they've now almost completely lost me. Anyway, this is just my long way of agreeing with you, Chuck. And thanks for reminding me that I want to see the rest of the Betsy McCaughey interview that they couldn't fit into the half hour show last night. She was a nut and a half, wasn't she? Trying to actually convince us that "death panels" were real even though all information she provided said otherwise? Crazy.