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Old 03-16-2009, 02:41 PM
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without wishing to be too much of a smartarse, but when you win the European Cup 5 times you get to keep it for good..............................and anyway its March, the season's far from over
I support Spurs so what would I know about such things?
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:37 PM
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Why would you rather win a more or less meaningless league game than progress to the Quarter Finals of the Champions League? ...
not being a supporter of either team you wouldn't understand.....and i'm not patronising you or anything, that's just the way it is.......as i said, one of my good mates who's a manc won't even answer his phone so i can take the piss i''l get him the weekend
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Old 03-17-2009, 02:31 AM
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not being a supporter of either team you wouldn't understand.....and i'm not patronising you or anything, that's just the way it is.......as i said, one of my good mates who's a manc won't even answer his phone so i can take the piss i''l get him the weekend
Well, there is the Arsenal thing, but I'd take losing to Arsenal everytime if it meant Spurs were winning League Titles and European Cups.

Plus there seems to be echoes of Welsh Rugby in that for years there was this mentality that as long as we beat the English it was a successful season, even if we lost all the other games. Thankfully we seem to have left that behind now (although there's still a minority that think that way). And while it will be great if we beat Ireland on Saturday and so win the Triple Crown I'd much rather we had put more points on Italy and so also be crowned champions if we were to win on the weekend
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Old 03-17-2009, 03:37 AM
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not being a supporter of either team you wouldn't understand.....and i'm not patronising you or anything, that's just the way it is.......as i said, one of my good mates who's a manc won't even answer his phone so i can take the piss i''l get him the weekend
i was exactly like that with my mum (who supports Liverpool) i didn't speak to her all weekend.

its more than just a game in the league for fans of these two clubs - see Rooney & (in previous years) Gary Neville's comments to the game's build up

As a United fan, i would rather win the Premier League every season, than the Champions League - i don't care what Fergie's priority is - the League to me is THE most important thing, and losing so heavily to the biggest rivals is THE worst you can get

beating Inter Milan - so what - its still just a knock out club competition, the League is a long fought out campaign which pits you against the same teams every year which you always want to beat. Simple.
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Old 03-17-2009, 06:37 AM
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couldn't have put it better myself! for us the premiership is the holy grail.....so what if we beat a few spanish and italian teams? It takes nearly 9 months of football to win the premiership......
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Old 03-18-2009, 09:39 AM
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Re: Message to Rafa
Funny.... in Spain everybody would agree that winning the Champions League would be far more difficult, if only for the level of the other competitors.... If you ask any Barça/Madrid fan they'd choose winning the European Cup over the League any day (at least I would!).
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:59 AM
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Keep in mind that some fans like beating their rivals and some fans like knowing their team has beaten the best competition available.
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:00 AM
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Re: Message to Rafa
5 more years of Rafa...

he won't last two more seasons, unless they can win the league in that time...

I ask LFC fans... what would you rather win this year / next year The Premiership or the Champions League...??
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:16 AM
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Funny.... in Spain everybody would agree that winning the Champions League would be far more difficult, if only for the level of the other competitors.... If you ask any Barça/Madrid fan they'd choose winning the European Cup over the League any day (at least I would!).
It is kinda more unpredictable, because its a cup, (well in the final stages it is)...

I mean, the Champions League is a money making exercise first... because you play 6 games and only really need to win 3/4 of them to qualify for the knock outs... almost always the best teams get through... then they get to play a 'lesser' side by being top seeded... its all so that the best teams get to the final - and yes its harder to beat the best teams... but you get two chances, home and away... its too random really to have fans get passionate about it as they do over 'home' league football.

League football has always been the 'bread and butter' of all clubs in England, and the 'home' league is a harder longer fought out campaign and during it you get to play several teams that you just never want to lose to...

LFC had never played Real Madrid at Anfield before - so there was no rivalry, yes they were upset when they lost 4-0 but it won't have hurt so much as losing to say Athletico Madrid or Barca in the league... surely?

Last years final when Man United beat Chelsea was truly exciting, but I still think that if that game was to determine who would win the Premier League it'd have more passion and more riding on it...

Everyone hates Man United (mainly because of success and popularity), but they have 5 big rivals that MUFC fans 'hate', but none are European beacuse we don't play them often enough and most of the time when we do its just in the Champions League, League stages...i.e. unimportant games...

United in my opinion want to beat these teams in this order (mainly in the League): Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, Leeds

no one else comes close...

I'd take winning the Premiership each season over anything else... (provided Arsenal, Liverpool & Chelsea don't win the European Cup!) I might be in the minority, but i think the League is still No. 1 for most United fans...
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Old 03-20-2009, 03:31 AM
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That's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say (and I've seen Liverpool fans offer similar sentiments that they'd rather have lost to Madrid if it meant they could win at Old Trafford). Why would you rather win a more or less meaningless league game than progress to the Quarter Finals of the Champions League? So you lost a game at home to one of your rivals, so what? In the big scheme of things you're still going to win the league and you're still very much in the mix for the FA Cup & Champions League and could end this season with an unprecedented Quintuple.
Sheffield Wednesday have done the double over Sheff Utd for the first time since 1914 but i'd swap that for promotion to the premier league any day. It meant a lot to beat them but theyre still the ones in the playoff positions and we're stuck in midtable. I know its not quite the same...

Liverpool have to enjoy that theyre the most successfull european team of the last 5 years and that theyve done the double over United. But United will win the league, which is something Liverpool havent done since 1990, evn though theyve managed to win everything else in the years since then.
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