wellllll isn't this interesting....

[Strangelet]

http://www.queerty.com/no-on-8-leade...ence-20081125/


turns out the gay lesbian organizers of no on prop 8 weren't so dedicated.

The Advocate has published a searing new report (see, we say nice things from time to time), revealing that over the summer Lori L. Jean of the L.A. Gay and Lesbian Center went on vacation for a month and Geoff Kors of Equality California left for two and a half weeks. In a self-published QnA released last night, Jean puts the blame on the community by saying:

But rather than campaigning and working to raise money, Jean was on vacation. No on 8 leaders have routinely blamed the loss on a lack of funds due to the gay community's apathy, but this is naive. The first step in any good political campaign is to motivate your base, something No on 8 leaders failed to do. "When is the time to finger point?" says Michael Weinstein, founder of the AIDS Healthcare Foundation. "After we lose again?
In addition LGBT leaders from the black & latino community are hopping mad they were never included in the No on 8 campaign. Jeffrey King, executive director of In The Meantime Men’s Group, a South Los Angeles outreach organization for gay black men told the LA Weekly:

so basically, the actions of the mormon church aside, I'd say the members who ripped themselves and their families out of the religion they grew up in over this have shown more sacrifice than the self absorbed nobs running the show.


real nice.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Strangelet

http://www.queerty.com/no-on-8-leade...ence-20081125/


turns out the gay lesbian organizers of no on prop 8 weren't so dedicated.


so basically, the actions of the mormon church aside, I'd say the members who ripped themselves and their families out of the religion they grew up in over this have shown more sacrifice than the self absorbed nobs running the show.


real nice.

That is interesting. Surprising in fact, considering the passions behind the issue.

[dubman]

this just sounds like the bus is still running for people to get thrown under because someone has to pay. they did it to the local theatre director and theyre doing it to these people.
blaming people who went on vacation over an issue where lies are the gamewinners is hardly productive.

[BeautifulBurnout]

There seems to be as much in-fighting in the GLBT community over there as there is over here. Famous (infamous?) lesbian activist and columnist Julie Bindel recently ended up with a protest against her being nominated by Stonewall for a journalism prize because of some very nasty remarks she has made about trans-sexuals.

(Mind you, she deserved it - she made some very shitty remarks and I have never liked her much anyway )

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by dubman

this just sounds like the bus is still running for people to get thrown under because someone has to pay. they did it to the local theatre director and theyre doing it to these people.
blaming people who went on vacation over an issue where lies are the gamewinners is hardly productive.

I'm sure there's some of that but leadership is *key* to minority rights movements. just look who got elected as the first black president. Instead of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakan, or any of the other old school minority leaders, it was a nobody harvard professor partly because the annointed minority rights leaders had devolved into ineffectual self serving plutocrats, actually weighing down inertia on the movement because positive results are diametrically opposed to the power they enjoy. Right, Yassir Arafat?

I mean trying to outspend the mormon church... good luck with that, even if you aren't on vacation for a month the summer right before the big vote.

that being said, (and I know everyone is probably annoyed at my constant prattling on about this stuff) when a mormon family extricates themselves from the mormon community they basically become landed immigrants in their own neighborhoods, where the neighbor kids will now no longer play with your kids and various shit like that.

That's a heavy sacrifice by people who are standing for a principle they believe in. and when you give hint that there's not the same level of sincerity on behalf of the people you fight for, its really not cool.