a thread to discuss the 9/26 debate

[Deckard]

That 'love' remark sounded weird but I suspect will have gone down well. McCain is sounding cuddly.

[kagenaki koe]

considering this was supposed to be mainly about foreign policy, McCain's strong suit, McCain didn't hit any homeruns.

[chuck]

Yeah - but McCain didn't say anything. It was just the same old shit. And he ignored the points that Obama made.

Obama to me - came across as having a broader vision, more strategic, more statesmanlike.

which is what a president is meant to be.

[Deckard]

BBC News ticker...

John McCain - a nuclear armed Iran would threaten a 'second Holocaust' against Israel.

Barack Obama: a resurgent Russia is a threat to its region but we cannot return to a Cold War scenario.

McCain wins on that particular soundbite.

[gambit]

Originally Posted by cacophony

i don't agree that obama is winning or owning anything here. i think he's stammering and saying "um" a lot and mccain's misrepresentations are being lobbed out in nicely packaged talking points. i think overall mccain is putting on a very good performance and obama is doing moderately well.

overall i anticipate that mccain will get the most bounce in the post-debate polls.

I'll have to agree for the most part. Chris Matthews was just talking about McCain's body language and how he never really looked at Obama. Don't know how this will be seen.

[chuck]

And we should do this in an irc channel or something next time.

just not twitter - coz tweets are rubbish.

[Deckard]

Obama was clearly superior in terms of argument, but that's not to say he will have won the debate. One thing I would say is that the debate as a whole was of a noticeably higher standard than any of the Bush/Kerry encounters, so that was encouraging.

Anyway - not staying up to hear who the talking heads feel won it - way past my bedtime now....

[Deckard]

Originally Posted by chuck

And we should do this in an irc channel or something next time.

We should.

[chuck]

Just watching the part 2 of the Couric - Palin interview - where she talks foreign policy - or attempts to talk about it.

She says much the same as McCain - "second holocaust", the exact same argument about diplomatic talks with Iran - Couric even calls her on the Kissinger detail - and she repeats the line that Obama is naive to want talks without pre-conditions.

Same argument - but still pointless.

[dubman]

i think neither f them came out for better or for worse. obama stammered a lot but trout-slapped mcfudd on occasion, mccain brought up some grasping points and was generally the classic GOP antagonist, but no one made any gaffes that would ring crazy outside of the supersensitive crowd, it just comes down to policy and global outlook for whoever watching, and who mirrors their attitude best.

in short, it wont (or shouldnt) change anything.