GWB hates women

[cacophony]

birth control pills = "abortion."

i imagine bush is sitting there, counting down the days until the end of his term, checking off his to-do list. his red pen is hovering anxiously over two of the entries, salivating for the moment when he finally gets to make his mark:

1) bomb iran
2) strip women of their rights

and condoleeza rice is standing obediently next to him, holding a sweating glass of celebratory scotch on the rocks, ready and waiting for that victorious swig.

god i hate these people.

[BeautifulBurnout]

He really is quite bonkers, isn't he?

I am utterly speechless. I can only hope that this ridiculous Bill never sees the light of day.

Roll on November.

[Sean]

This is pretty ridiculous. Birth control pills are lumped in with abortion? Whatever.

I can't say I think it's fair to say Bush hates women because of it....I'm sure he would justify this stance by saying the issue is more that he loves babies....but it's doing women no favors all the same. And men for that matter too. I know it's obviously the women who conceive, but men are far too frequently left out of the parenthood equation in discussions about who's affected by this stuff.

[cacophony]

eliminating women's access to health care is the same thing as hating women. it is a horrible misogynistic thing to do.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by cacophony

eliminating women's access to health care is the same thing as hating women. it is a horrible misogynistic thing to do.

Well one, he's not "eliminating women's access to healthcare". He's equating birth control with abortion, which I agree is stupid, but that's a much narrower act than your broad statement implies.

Two, I know it may seem like semantics, but I always have a problem when anyone assumes that x must mean y, even if there is no direct correlation between the two. That's what frequently leads to things like unfounded charges of racism, or sexism, or the majority of stupid "gaffes" made by political candidates, etc. And even in Bush's case, while there are clearly many reasons to dislike him, I think we should still limit our reasons to factual issues rather than assumptions. I'm a big fan of accuracy, and it's simply inaccurate and unfounded to conclude that Bush equating birth control pills with abortion must mean that Bush hates women. But then maybe I'm wrong - can you illustrate the direct connection that would prove the accuracy of your conclusion?

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well one, he's not "eliminating women's access to healthcare". He's equating birth control with abortion, which I agree is stupid, but that's a much narrower act than your broad statement implies.

Two, I know it may seem like semantics, but I always have a problem when anyone assumes that x must mean y, even if there is no direct correlation between the two. That's what frequently leads to things like unfounded charges of racism, or sexism, or the majority of stupid "gaffes" made by political candidates, etc. And even in Bush's case, while there are clearly many reasons to dislike him, I think we should still limit our reasons to factual issues rather than assumptions. I'm a big fan of accuracy, and it's simply inaccurate and unfounded to conclude that Bush equating birth control pills with abortion must mean that Bush hates women. But then maybe I'm wrong - can you illustrate the direct connection that would prove the accuracy of your conclusion?

i already illustrated my proof. restricting or eliminating women's access to health care = policy that is detrimental specifically to women. it solely discriminates against women, it solely keeps women in a place of poorer health care access than men. you cannot be interested in preserving the rights or welfare of women if this is your idea of fair policy. thus, it is a woman hating policy.

ipso facto.

if bush were to enact a policy that specifically and solely restricted or eliminated african americans' access to health care we wouldn't be having this discussion. but once again we're going to quibble over it because hey, it's just chicks.

[cacophony]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

Roll on November.

january. he's still in office until january. he's got 6.5 more months of bushing it up a notch.

[IsiliRunite]

what about babies' rights?!?

Just kidding.

[Strangelet]

i know everyone is itching to do this, so i'll just relieve the tension and get it out of the way.

[BeautifulBurnout]

Originally Posted by IsiliRunite

what about babies' rights?!?

Just kidding.

Heh!

Yeah, babies have rights. Foetuses have rights when they start to be babies, although those rights need to be balanced with the mother's rights too. Unidentifiable lumps of cells that have no possible means of developing into a proper foetus without their "hosts", much less posess a brain or feelings, can't really be said to have rights that are dissociated from the rights of the "host" mother.


Cacophony - the last three months of pregnancy are pretty cool, as far as I remember, although I only had one of the little blighters practicing judo kicks and giving me a hiatus hernia. The time will fly by. I have two bits advice: 1) Get as much rest as you can now, because once they are born you will be tired for the rest of your life, no matter how much sleep you get and 2) Don't ever listen to anyone else's advice, including mine, because only you know how to be a mother to your own children