obama 2012 (?????)

[Strangelet]

I tried finding the earlier thread that talked about our predictions for how obama will do next election. I'm wondering if anyone has any thoughts now, if we were to return to the question.

will you vote for obama (hypothetically even) ?
do you think he will win?
do you think he deserves to win?

my answers are

no
no
and no.

[the mongoose]

Absolutely not.
Hope not.
No.

[bryantm3]

ooh... i didn't know there were any right wingers here. or is your disappointment in obama unrelated to politics but rather as to his effectiveness?

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by bryantm3

ooh... i didn't know there were any right wingers here. or is your disappointment in obama unrelated to politics but rather as to his effectiveness?

As far as mongoose, he doesn't even think Obama is a natural born citizen. As for me, I'm no right winger, I just think Obama is a failed presidency (so far). This is what I said the last time this issue was raised and it didn't seem like anyone agreed with me, so I'm wondering if anything has changed.

[kagenaki koe]

depends on who he's running against. if Dubya can win two terms anything is possible.

[stimpee]

Depends if he's better than the alternative. Hard to make a big impact when youre spending your time cleaning up after the last administration.

[Andrea]

it´s not an easy work to be a politician
you know... like trying to discern the coastline from different heights

but is there any politician who have ever made a good job enough in history?
it seems as if everybody is making the best of a bad all the time

[34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j]

Yes but I think it's a mistake to say that Bush was responsible for everything. I am sure the economy would have collapsed under Kerry or Gore or whoever else you'd put in.

[Strangelet]

Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j

Yes but I think it's a mistake to say that Bush was responsible for everything. I am sure the economy would have collapsed under Kerry or Gore or whoever else you'd put in.

yes and no. would sub prime and toxic derivative mortgages have burst? Yes. Would the federal government be forced to push itself into insolvency and lower global credit rating with a weaker dollar with stimulus spending? No. Not with the surplus budget Bush enjoyed.

Of course conservatives don't like to make a correlation between the economy and military spending deficits. They act like the money for Iraq and Afghanistan came straight from Jesus.

[bryantm3]

i like the guy, but he doesn't have any balls. he doesn't have the ability like many past democrats have had to get congress by the nuts and do some wheeling and dealing. he just kind of has an idea, then lets congress destroy it and add garbage to it, then he signs it. the problem isn't obama's ideals, it's that congress is screwing everything up and he doesn't have the ability to challenge them on anything.