have uw ever considered using a mellotron choir or voices?

[bryantm3]

i was thinking that, today, in juanita, from around 12:12 to where he finishes singing and the beat comes back in, it would sound pretty neat with a mellotron choir in the background. just sayin'.

[TheBang]

Well, first I had to figure out what a Mellotron Choir is, and Google gave me this:

http://tinpan.fortunecity.com/aphex/113/choir.html

And so after listening to it, I figured, well, why not? So I threw together this:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ABCISRQW

And well, it sounds kinda cheesy, but, I dunno, the concept might be sound. With better samples it might actually be pretty cool.

[bryantm3]

that's an interesting take, but not exactly wot i was going for. let me put something together.

[bryantm3]

now this might sound a little crazy, but it does demonstrate the mellotron effects i'm talking about. so just ignore the bells and soft keyboard playing, and just listen to the choir and UW.
it might sound kinda new-agey or lame, but when used in context, it's not bad. of course, it sounds totally awesome in my head, but i can't reproduce that.
http://www11.rapidupload.com/d.php?f...filepath=19891

[patrick]

while it sounds pretty ok i suppose frankly it's ruining the one music masterpiece in my lifetime that i can think of! the 16 minutes of the track is just incredible... and the whole time listening to those little snippits i was just saying "argh, i want to just to hear the song!" haha, i'm sure if you put ages into it or recorded some stuff with it it could work nicely, but man. all that 20 seconds did is make me want to listen to the whole track which is what i'm going to do now...

[TheBang]

Yes, I think I understand what you're getting at. Even just the bits in your file sound pretty cool. I think part of it is finding the right samples (the one I had from that website was lame). I don't have time to do anything with it at the moment, but maybe someone else will whip something up.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by TheBang

Yes, I think I understand what you're getting at. Even just the bits in your file sound pretty cool. I think part of it is finding the right samples (the one I had from that website was lame). I don't have time to do anything with it at the moment, but maybe someone else will whip something up.

well, you did a good search, cos all i could find on google was that website. that actually sounds like a real choir, except not echoed, like if there was a bass, tenor, alto, and soprano all screaming at the same time, it would sound like that. so instead of searching for a mellotron sample, i just used an existing song with mellotron in it.

[bryantm3]

this is my personal favourite use of mellotron:

http://www11.rapidupload.com/d.php?f...filepath=19982

listen for it from around 0:48 to 1:25. but listen to the whole clip to get the feel of it.


from wikipedia:

Mellotron In Popular Music:

he Moody Blues and Mike Pinder helped develop the Mellotron and Mike Pinder was the first to master the keyboard as far as rock is concerned. Mike Pinder gave each of the Beatles a Mellotron which they dubbed the Fabtron.

The Mellotron was first made famous by The Beatles, who used it prominently on their groundbreaking 1967 single "Strawberry Fields Forever," as well as several other recordings they made in this psychedelic period. It was also used by The Zombies ("Changes"), the Moody Blues ("Nights in White Satin"), The Rolling Stones ("2000 Light Years From Home"), Pink Floyd ("Julia Dream") and others during the psychedelic era. Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones was supposedly the first musician to master the instrument, using it liberally on the albums Their Satanic Majesties Request and Beggars Banquet; his most remarkable performance on the instrument being that for the band's 1967 single "We Love You." The Kinks featured the instrument prominently in their recordings between 1967–1969, particularly on the 1968 album The Kinks are the Village Green Preservation Society.

The Mellotron was widely used to provide backing keyboard accompaniment by many of the progressive rock groups of the 1970s and alongside the venerable Hammond organ it was crucial to shaping the sound of the genre. It features on albums such as In the Court of the Crimson King by King Crimson, Diamond Dogs by David Bowie, Fragile and Close To The Edge by Yes, and Foxtrot and Selling England By The Pound by Genesis. Led Zeppelin used a Mellotron to recreate the flute arrangement for live performances of Stairway to Heaven, and it featured prominently on "The Rain Song" from Houses of the Holy. It was also used extensively by pioneering German electronic band Tangerine Dream through their prime, including solo work by Edgar Froese. See the Tangerine Dream albums, Rubycon, Ricochet, and Encore as well as Edgar Froese's Epsilon in Maylasian Pale for excellent examples of mellotron playing. The Strokes' 2005 album, First Impressions Of Earth, features a mellotron solo.

The advent of cheaper and more reliable polysynths and preset 'string machines' saw the mellotron's popularity wane by the end of the 1970s. Following the impact of punk, the mellotron tended to be viewed as a relic of a pompous era. One of the few UK post-punk bands to utilise its sounds were Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark, who featured it heavily on their platinum-selling Architecture & Morality album (1981).

The unique sound of the Mellotron is produced by a combination of characteristics of tape replay such as wow and flutter, the result being that each time a note is played it is slightly different from the previous time it was played (a bit like a real instrument). The notes also interact with each other so that chords or even just pairs of notes have an extremely powerful sound.

Mellotrons were not intended to be portable (they often become misaligned even when lightly jostled), and when installed permanently in a studio they provide a very realistic effect. An example of this can be found on Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road album.

The mellotron experienced a revival of sorts in the 1990s. A variety of bands began using the instrument, including Smashing Pumpkins, Nine Inch Nails, Grandaddy, Porcupine Tree, and Opeth.

interesting that nine inch nails used the mellotron, and they're a fan of UW. i've also heard that radiohead used the mellotron on one of their albums. it's not always a mellotron choir, sometimes it's a flute or strings or something.

[TheBang]

Regarding Underworld using a Mellotron, how about Dark Train?

[bryantm3]

hmm, it does sound like a mellotron kicks in at around 0:42!