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Old 06-30-2009, 07:15 AM
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Re: Michael Jackson is DEAD!
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"some of that stuff is indefensible - but his music is like, 1000 times more significant than any of that"

some of that stuff? even if only 'some' of that stuff is indefensible, why do you turn round and defend it with his music? does making significant music make paedophilia ok? i take it you're currently childless? there is no comparison to make between being a druggie and being a paedophile. richie james killed himself - hurt himself, no underage kids given alcohol (sorry; 'jesus juice') and encouraged to share a bed with an adult man who admitted to not thinking that that was abnormal. that's pathetic. clinton? you're comparing adultery to paedophilia?! that's beyond ridiculous.

in my eyes, you don't any more negative than paedophilia; so yes - that's what defines him in my eyes. if it was anybody else on the planet he'd be being vilified, and rightly so. are you saying that because of his success in the 70's that gary glitter should be looked upon as anything else than a sick fuck?

'there's no hard evidence that he was attracted to children'? have you spent the last decade in some sort of trance? he paid $22m or so to keep a case out of court. he came right out and said it was fine to share a bed with young boys.

i can comment all i like because the hypocrisy surrounding this stinks to high fucking heaven; and you're displaying it. there is no defence, great music or no great music. best-selling album of all time or no best-selling of all time. i'm not attacking the music he made at his (distant) peak - i'm attacking him as one father attacking another.

You're getting the wrong idea here. I'm not saying it's okay to molest children because you made good music. Of course it's indefensible. I'm not saying that adultery or drug use is the same thing at all. I'm just saying it's an incredibly negative view to have about things and especially inapproprite if you're actually saying "good riddance" when the guy kicks it. If he was a paedophile, that does not affect your life, but maybe his music does. Get over yourself. For me, music is always number one. You come off as a Nancy Grace-type person who gets outraged over things that don't effect your life in the slightest. Yes, Gary Glitter was a sick man. It doesn't mean I won't enjoy his music when it comes on. I can't say I'm self-righteous enough to wish he'd never been born. Just because some of us want to celebrate the great music that he made is not 'hypocrisy'. I can support Bill Clinton as a president without condoning what he did, too. If you want to define a man by what he does in his darkest moments, fine. But keep it out of a thread about a guy who just died.


As for MJ's allegations specifically - first of all, you do not know what "hard evidence" is. What you have is speculation. I had a neighbor whose boyfriend had faced similar accusations based on a few images that were supposedly on his computer. The problem is, they were false accusations, and he was found innocent of any wrongdoing. Unfortunately, being in a somewhat public position, he was forced to leave his job, had his name dragged through the mud, and lost most of his friends. My grandfather, who had a TV show on a local station in Ohio, was accused of sexual assault. A newspaper wrote a big front page piece on it and he killed himself as a result. He was innocent. A week later, the same newspaper printed a retraction as they found the guy they were actually looking for. Now let's take the biggest celebrity in the world. I don't know if he did anything wrong. But the media, especially the tabloids, would love you to believe he did. In this country, an accusation is as good as being guilty. Just think about it - even if he did nothing wrong, everything would have played out the same. People assume that because he paid $22m means that he's guilty - maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but either way you can be sure he just wanted to put the whole thing behind him. It was destroying his career. Yes, it is weird to think there is nothing wrong with sharing your bed with children. But if there is legitimately no attraction, it's not wrong. Just weird. And MJ was the weirdest dude of all. How can we assume anything about the intentions of a black man who tried to modify his appearance to resemble a white boy? Here's the truth of the matter - for the last 20 years, the name "Michael Jackson" was associated with so many bizarre things that not even his closest friends could figure him out. But when it comes to paedophilia, suddenly everyone knows his intentions? People love to villify others and see them go down in flames, particularly the ones different from us, and especially celebrities. Let's face it - no matter what the courts said or what the truth actually was, there was just no way this wouldn't be a permanent stain on his reputation.


Listen, if villifying the guy and believing that a man's life is defined by his worst moments helps you sleep at night, fine. I'm sure you have absolutely no skeletons in your closet. But come on, he just died. It's big news. The guy was a one-of-a-kind. Let us grieve a little.