[dubman]

yeah but just because we have the capacity and lack of perspective doesnt mean that we're on a crash course for it. people make the best cases for humanity in eloquent speches that start the slow swing back to the other side, but during that time we'd be in the midst of committing the worst atrocities against it. and there's too many variables. i can see millions, even a couple billion happening, but man-made extinction is too alarmist for my blood. we just need enough to change the fundamental rules that make further destruction something too horrifically empty to not stubbornly fight against. if we're like cockroaches we can live like them, damn it.
if we go completely, it'd be indirectly related to us, and primarily a natural event. imo.