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Originally Posted by cacophony
then i have no idea what to say to you. it's elementary and you are missing it and missing it and missing it in a way that you're usually too intelligent to miss.
in all of the time i've been posting here you've never been as ignorant, arrogant or, frankly, as offensive as you've been in this thread. you're no more engaged in a rational discussion than anyone else, in spite of your self-righteous insistence that you are.
i'm done discussing it with you. and this time do me a favor and don't PM me telling me, "no no, i really do like women" to try to justify how you spent 6 pages insisting that sexism is a figment of everyone's imagination and how you put more energy into playing that tiny violin for father's rights than attempting to comprehend what it means to tell a woman that she can't even take a birth control pill in order to protect her own health.
it's not about disagreeing with what's been said. please disagree, that's what makes a world forum a world forum. and this ain't my first rodeo, i've discussed abortion rights with any number of people with opinions ranging from "kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out" to "god sez women are just vessels." in fact 2 days ago i debated abortion rights with someone far more liberal than i, and i was the one pitching the pro-life arguments.
it's not about disagreement. it's the way you've presented your disagreement in this thread.
there's something that clicks on in you when women's rights become an issue that i don't see click on in anyone else. whatever it is, it gets you personally defensive and you go on an attack in a manner that i don't see in you in other discussions. i don't like it and frankly i don't like you much right now.
so don't mind me, i'll just sit here quietly in the corner, waiting patiently to find out if the men who run this nation will let me continue to protect my own health, trying so so hard not to "cry wolf" and struggling to control my silly, irrational feminine hormones.
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What clicks on in me has nothing to do with whether it's women's rights or not. It has to do with me having a problem with seeing
any extremely harsh accusations thrown at
anyone unfairly. Thus the references to racism as well. And now apparently
I've been labelled as a misogynist too - a label that couldn't be further from the truth, and which I find to be extremely unfortunate and troubling.
Is sexism a figment of people's imagination? Hell no. Please show me a single place where I said that or anything even close to it, and I will apologize whole-heartedly. Seriously....please go through my posts and provide the quotes that illustrate me making that point in any way shape or form, because I just re-read this whole thread to see if I missed a place where what I said may have come across that way unintentionally, and I didn't see anything that struck me that way. I also didn't see any energy invested in playing a "
tiny violin for father's rights". I only saw two sentences out of all my posts, paragraphs and sentences here that mentioned the idea that "
men are far too frequently left out of the parenthood equation in discussions about who's affected by this stuff." Not sure where the perception that I
"put more energy into playing that tiny violin" comes from based on that.
And having just read back over all the posts here, frankly, I didn't start getting bothered until after dubman's post that said
"theyre fucking retards holding back all things good and decent and should be the last people given clout or compromised with" as a response to my statement that
"What's at the core of the issue is the problem that pro-lifers would have with you labeling a fetus as a 'parasite'. Of course technically, a fetus IS a parasite, but referring to it as such is pretty clearly meant as a means of de-humanizing it, and that's where the difference in ideologies lies - not in feelings towards women." Things like this make it hard for me to understand how it could be concluded that
I'm the one who's been displaying an unreasonable and confrontational attitude here.
Anyway, you jumped right into the middle of that, and equated the point I'd been trying to make with "
if a man beats the shit out if his wife but believes it's for her own good, would you also believe he's not misogynistic?" Not exactly a fair interpretation of what I'd been saying up until then. And when I replied light-heartedly (honestly, that is how it was meant, which is why I even said right after it that I wasn't being serious) referring back to your presumably light-hearted comments (which I know did still convey a serious point) about being, in your words, "cranky", you came back and told me to
"fuck off". Again, I don't feel it's fair to say that I brought the confrontational approach to that one. I can understand if my comment was not clearly enough framed as light-hearted, but needless to say, being told to "fuck off" was unexpected at best.