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Originally Posted by Sean
In fairness, I think that the reason the "un-American" charge has come up is because of specific comments Wright made like "god bless America? No...god DAMN America". My guess is that had he only made racially charged comments, then charges of "un-Americanism" very likely wouldn't have been raised.
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I see where you're coming from but hear me out, because i think its an important point to explain why this is happening.
You can take Wright's statements two ways. You can say they reduce to the same structure as past comments made by robertson and falwell in which case he's saying nothing more than what has been said before. then you have to account for the broad hypocrisy in which the statements were received by the media in terms of anti-americanism compared to the way the statements of falwell were received. Again i'm not saying that the fervency of the negative reaction is more or less in either case. But when it came to the case of WRight, all of a sudden he and his believers are branded as hating america. That's new. That's different.
The other way you can take Wright's comments is that they were not meant to heap blame on America, but to express a pre-existing hatred of it. In my opinion that's only believable to those individuals who were leaning in that direction in the first place.
In other words, he's either condemning America or he HATES america. And unless you're an absolute conspiracy nutball who's looking for it, its kind of hard to imagine a viable presidential candidate would foster their beliefs under an environment of nebulous hate. Which one makes the most sense? Especially in context of certain media hit jobs who have made B. "Hussein" Obama Bin Laden's american lapel pin, comments by his wife, his lazy means of saying the pledge of allegiance a serious topic with which to concern the american public.
THere's a reason this is happening and it has nothing to do with Wright. That may be my own conspiracy theory, but how else do you explain this coming out a YEAR later?
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Originally Posted by Sean
Granted, many intelligent people are voicing concerns over Wright, but I think that the vast majority of them probably support an alternate candidate and are voicing their concerns as a means of trying to dmaga Obama's chances. This, of course, bothers me because of it's dishonesty.
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Oh the hit jobs are coming in strong man.
Check this shit out.
U.S. News and World report : Obama Speech Falls Short
Check out this paragraph.
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Obama's speech, however, is likely to add grist to conservative claims that he has been less than honest about his knowledge of Wright's most controversial remarks. Obama himself last week posted remarks online denying he'd ever heard Wright make controversial remarks in person.
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Below is Obama's remarks before the speech. Can someone point out where he says he heard nothing controversial or where he's contradicted.
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Originally Posted by Senator Obama
The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.
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Interestingly enough the article also mentions the newsmax piece that claims to have proof Obama was in attendance for that infamous sermon. A story that was picked up by the neocon Bill Kristol for the New York Times, which happens to be an all out lie and compelled the new york times to post an apology after pictures of Obama in Miami that sunday emerged.
abc news: buried in eloquence Obama contradictions about pastor
again tries to argue a case of double speak.
Can you media asses fucking read before you post this stuff? He said "those statements that caused the controversy" not "any statements that are controversial"
fuck. i better pop some more meds.