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mmm .. but yeah, in practice (like you say) metal is all about this mass, right? literally: everyone sort of flinging their long oily hair together and generating this nasty hairy organism.
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In practice metal culture is actually very global and tribal and has always been, even before the internet, there are a huge amount of bands from South America, Japan etc.
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Originally Posted by kid cue
dubstep has a similar effect (through bass) but it doesn't have a particular ethos, certainly doesn't promote "gang activity" -- i think you're talking about grime --
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My ignorance shows. I tend to associate dubstep with grime as I heard about both around the same time, both originated in the UK and every time I've heard people differentiate between dubsteb and grime I've only seen the difference explained on a musical level rather than ethos. So basically I thought that a lot of producers did both grime and dubsteb.
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the similarity that Reynolds and others are bringing up is the fact that both metal and dubstep (in general) take themselves very seriously, have no time for irony, and it shows in the very genuine feeling of participation and release at live events. they're both appealing to people (like me) who are more or less fed up with pop, PoMo, and indie poseurs.
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Yeah, and this is something that has always bothered me. What the fuck people mean with listening to music for "ironic reasons"? Or the whole ironic t-shirt thing too as a matter of fact.