[dubman]

Originally Posted by BeautifulBurnout

To clarify: the accusation of trolling came not from the posting of the article itself, but from the "ha ha look at the fanboys' responses *pointing finger*" reaction, with no comment on the article at all. That was, imo, an unhelpful thing to post, taking the focus away from the subject matter, (which is the reason for posting the article in the first place, it seems,) and veering in the direction of personal attack instead of musical debate. I thought I said that earlier

Yes, it is important to have musical debate here. It is important for people to examine why it is they like or dislike a particular track or a particular album if they want to. It is also important to remember that nobody is obliged to, and everyone is entitled to an opinion. And, while intellectualism has its place, discussions on the relative merits of intellectualism vs anti-intellectualism would be better suited to the world forum than to the music sections.

the issue behind the pointing and laughing at the fanboys was how utterly incapable a majority were at being able to craft a decent response that didnt call him coked out or ignorant. whether this guy knows what he's talking about or not, he's respected enough to be widely read, and now that he takes a potshot at UW, all of a sudden he's 10 different synonyms of "washed-up". thats why you get laughed at.

and what the hell do you mean when you say intellectualism has its place? we're still talking about underworld, and we're still definately talking about music. this is just incorporating a certain attitude that's pretty pervalent in this forum into that discussion and to say that "now you're thinking too hard, take it to the world forum" is A BIG REASON why it's hard to take this section seriously sometimes.

The wonderful thing about Dirty is that it unites people from all ages, backgrounds, creeds, colours, walks of life and occupations. Some are intellectual, some are not, some are anti-intellectual. Some express themselves marvellously eloquently, others don't. But we all like the music otherwise we wouldn't be here and that is the cement of the forum. There is no such thing as "too thick to like Underworld" to the best of my knowledge

that sounds just peachy, but you're talking about the internet more than you're talking about dirty. and letting everyone float around in this haze "i just want to BE, man" without having to explain themselves allows DUMBASSES to get away with their dumbass opinion because they're simply "not eloquent" and "there's a place for intellectualism" when really you're just faced with someone whos lazy and doesnt register this conceptual bubble of uncritical and forced acceptance, even in the face of something ludicrous. it's just a place here their dumbassery goes unmolested.

but now i'm talking about the internet and not dirty, so let me relate this back to here.
what you're doing, is by forcibly accepting all and trying to understand and adapt to everyone character, is encouraging stultifying, non-critical conversation that repress things like heatedness and your interpretation of "negative vibes" simply for what? someone's ego? because dirty is such a safe haven that peoples bad argument skills shouldnt be pointed out and their ignorance ignored? this forum isnt going to shit because a few people viciously argue about something. it goes to shit when no one here has a reason past unfocused anger or bleeding positivity. the glue you're talking about is a fairly loose one and it implies that just because you like underworld that you're a voice worth hearing around here. i cant think of many members that contradict that (well, i can, but this isnt the place) but the logic is flawed, not to mention self-insulating.