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Old 02-20-2011, 04:49 AM
Deckard
issue 37
 
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Re: what do y'all think? (the atheism thread)
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Originally Posted by bas_I_am
The clause "I have a belief that..." is considered poor grammar. This usage indicates the verb is "to have" and is called "passive construct" as it corrupts the conveyance of the subject's action-"to believe". Other common examples include statements of the sort "I made/took a decision" (I decided), "they took a vacation" (they vacationed) etc...
The grammatical difference between "believing in" and "having a belief in" is not what's at dispute here.

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Originally Posted by bas_I_am
Using your example of an infant, it doesn't apply...
Then that alone proves the two statements do not mean the same thing. You are now forced to accept the axiom that not believing a claim does not mean making an alternate claim. And it's not only the infant to which this applies...

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Originally Posted by bas_I_am
has the infant considered the God concept? No... but you have... do you believe or do you not believe?
I remain unconvinced by the theists' hypothesis that God exists, so to answer your question directly, I do not believe. But that is not the same as declaring that "I believe God does not exist". It might mean that I assume or live my life 'as if' God does not exist, but that is different to a firm belief or assertion that 'God does not exist'. If you doubt that, go back to where I covered at length why I refuse to posit a lack of God despite lacking a belief in God.

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Originally Posted by bas_I_am
Now that I think about it... the infant does not believe in God.
Correct. But notice how you chose not to word it as: "the infant believes that God does not exist". Ask yourself why you chose not to word it that way...