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Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j
This does swing both ways though. You can pretty much apply this to anything.
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Sure, but you were the one arguing that you don't think 'society' bases their opinions on fear and bigotry. I already accept that it works both ways - all ways. Your remark seemed to play that down if not outright reject it.
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Originally Posted by 34958hq439-qjw9v5jq298v5j
Likewise, couldn't it be argued that all the gays that support same sex marriage are biased and will argue in favor regardless of whether or not, deep down, they think it's a good idea for society?
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I agree that
could be argued, because there's self-interest. But then we can move on to speculate about the motivations of the non-gay population - and on that score, I'd say the self-interest is more damning to the opposers. Keep in mind that few people, gay OR straight, are arguing for it because it's
good for society - but many are arguing against it because it's
bad for society.
Sure, on a broad level, people will acknowledge that defeating discrimination is good for society, but you know I'm not sure that's the principle thinking of those who support it. I think it's more realistic to say that there are:
(a) those who argue against it because they feel it's sinful or bad for society
(b) the rest who quite simply see no problem with it, and - in the absence of a convincing argument to oppose it - are generous enough to consider those of us who don't have that right.
Really, I don't see any great movement of people supporting it because they think gay marriage will somehow benefit society.
But then I've yet to see a single convincing argument against gay marriage that wasn't rooted in religion (or similarly woolly notions of a natural order or cosmic intention or whatever).