[myrrh]

Originally Posted by Deckard

Technically they're born asexual. If we're talking about potential, then they are as much born a homosexual as a heterosexal is born a heterosexual. ie. with the genetic predisposition of a sexual attraction that will kick in a decade or so later.

If we were born without sexual organs, and they developed after 10 years, then you would have a point. However, we are both as a sex, either male or female. Therefor the natural disposition of a male species is to be with the female of that species and vice versa. Like I said, you may have feels towards a member of the same sex, but to act upon them goes against this natural disposition.

Originally Posted by Deckard

though, you're defining the word homosexual in a more narrow way than it is typically used. Virgins can be homosexual as well as heterosexual. If a straight person stopped having sex, they wouldn't cease to be heterosexual. Sticking to the most commonly-accepted definitions and framing this as the rights and wrongs of sexual activity will avoid confusion.

The definition I am using is pretty basic. It says "sexually attracted to people of one's own sex." This is from the dictionary on my laptop. That same dictionary states that a person who is a virgin is someone who has not yet had sexual intercourse. If further goes on to define sexual intercourse as "sexual contact between individuals involving penetration, esp. the insertion of a man's erect penis into a woman's vagina, typically culminating in orgasm and the ejaculation of semen."

So technically, a lesbian who never had been with a man is still a virgin. Same with a man who has never been with a women.

I am just stating this because I am not sure if you meant that a virgin can be both a homosexual and a heterosexual (as in the same time), or they can be either one or the other.

Originally Posted by Deckard

1) There is no single "natural disposition of man" in the way that you insinuate.

This I wholeheartedly disagree with. So there is no point in debating what followed it because it is based off your belief in the above.

Originally Posted by Deckard

To most of the rest of us though, right and wrong are typically not decided by:

a) whether something is common
b) whether something leads to procreation

I would say that it is our natural disposition that instinctually tells us what is right and wrong.

I am running out of time, I'll address more later.