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Originally Posted by bryantm3
stimpee, why are you talking about fish? that's like if we were having a discussion about the death penalty and you said "well if we're going to ban the death penalty, we should stop eating animals". i don't mean to be insulting, but that's really from left field. a fish isn't a person. a grown cow has more intelligence than a newborn child, but does that mean it's okay to kill a newborn child?
So, in the name of overpopulation, certain members of the population should be eliminated for the common good.
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youre the one talking about "i think every life should be treated as equal under the law, including the life of the unborn child." and a fish isnt a person, and neither is a 1hr old pregnancy. neither is a 22 day old heartbeat. So I guess it comes down to viability again. You're right, i got distracted. Let me try to clarify.
There will always be abortions. Making it illegal will just mean more women die in the process. Nobody wants to have an abortion. Nobody wakes up in the morning, thinking 'I hope I get pregnant so I can have an abortion.' This is why contraception exists. I don't know of any person who thinks abortion is an easy solution. Why would anyone want to go through the pain, humiliation, and emotional stress of having an abortion if they could prevent it? Contraception isnt 100%.
The bible says that abortion is wrong. What gives the church the right to dictate to government its "moral" values? What happened to separaton of church and state? God shouldn't have any say in the matter because not everybody believes in his existence.
What is supposed to happen to all these unwanted babies that women are being forced to carry to term? adoption? anyone who uses this argument should be willing to adopt the baby themselves.
Until a foetus can survive outside the mother's body, it is not a human being and should not enjoy the same rights as the mother does. Until that point, if you ask, who has the right to live, the woman or the foetus? It should be the woman, every time.
Abortion is a not a quick and easy way out. Women don't just show up in a clinic, hand over their credit cards (in countries where its not free) and get an abortion. There are doctor visits and councelling to go through. Making the choice is hard enough by itself. Going through it must be difficult and painful physically and mentally.
I wish pro-lifers would put their energy and convictions into bettering education and the availability of contraception. Prevent the problem instead of rabidly opposing one of its solutions. Nobody is trying to make them do something they don't want to do. They should extend that courtesy to others who don't share their beliefs.
I'm spent with this thread. If you want to carry on imposing your religious values on people I dont want to hear about it.
over and out.